2 hrs confidence:   exceptional feature
Explanation:
The author states that "Motifkombinatorik" is more appropriate than "liedhafte Melodik" for "Zwischensaetzen" and "Schlussgruppen", and at the same time suggests that "Motifkombinatorik" is used in other ways. This presumes an unusually intensive use of "Motifkombinatorik" that is later confirmed when author states that there is almost no beat that does not adhere to the "Motifkombinatorik" -- namely, the "thematischer Takt" of the piece. Thus, it is the intensive use of "Motifkombinatorik" that is "uneigentlich".
What I find troublesome about this passage is not the word "Uneigentlichkeit", rather the phrase "Prinzip formaler Uneigentlichkeit". Can one develop a Prinzip within the framework of a single sonat? Moreover what formalizes the "Uneigentlichkeit", if only its intensive use?
What we appear to know is that the "Motifkombinatorik" is also applied to the scherzo resulting in a loosening of the thematic framework, so intensely applied in that which came before. This would make sense, in so far as a scherzo is suppose to be playful, anyway.
Thus I agree with Jerrie when she states that "Uneigentlichkeit" means pecularity, but one cannot meaningfully write "a principal of formal pecularity".
Thus, I suggest "exceptional feature" as a plausible work-around for the phrase "Prinzip formaler Uneigentlichkeit".
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Note added at 2004-01-16 15:25:15 (GMT)
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Correction: The word \"principal\" should have read \"principle\".
| Roddy Stegemann
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2 hrs confidence: figurativeness
Explanation:
based on the translation in Collins, and the definition in Webster:
": representing or represented by a figure or resemblance *the figurative art of the humanistic tradition Herbert Read*
2 : transferred in sense from literal or plain to abstract or hypothetical (as by the expression of one thing in terms of another with which it can be regarded as analogous) : METAPHORICAL *figurative language* *in a figurative sense, civilization marches up and down Lewis Mumford*
3 : characterized by figures of speech or elaborate expression *a figurative description* *a figurative author"
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4 hrs confidence: the unexpected
Explanation:
the unanticipated
options, my brainstorms
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Note added at 2004-01-16 19:52:21 (GMT)
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ABERRATION
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5 hrs confidence: vulgarity
Explanation:
Sorry for proposing yet another answer, but see this summary of "Eigentlichkeit" and "Uneigentlichkeit" referring to Heidegger. Unless I've misunderstood this summary, "eigentlich" seems to refer to the essential aspects of existence (and indeed Collins gives (essentiality for "Eigentlichkeit"), and uneigentlich to the more mundane, vulgar, day-to-day aspects of existence.
If this is is so, then "earthbound" might also be useful in a paraphrase. (Am kind of brainstorming here!)
Also see this definition in the second URL reference:
"Die Uneigentlichkeit bedeutet... nicht etwa ein 'weniger' Sein oder einen 'niedrigeren' Seinsgrad. Die Uneigentlichkeit kann vielmehr das Dasein nach seiner vollsten Konkretion bestimmen in seiner Geschäftigkeit, Angeregtheit, Interessiertheit, Genußfähigkeit" (Heid. SuZ. 43)
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Note added at 2004-01-17 15:59:54 (GMT)
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By summary, I\'m referring to the first URL.
Reference: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/34...
Reference: http://www.gottwein.de/Eth/Exist01.htm
| Dr Andrew Read
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Local time: 14:57
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 295
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| | Grading comment Many thanks for a most thought-provoking set of suggestions. I didn´t in the end directly use any of the translations proposed, but it was through consideration of them that I eventually understood what was really being said here.
The reference is to the further development (this is Mendelssohn) of Beethoven´s practice in his later works of weaving motivic references that go beyond the individual movement to bind together the whole work, or even beyond that to multiple works, into a motivically unitary mass (mess?). So I am interpreting „Uneigentlichkeit“ as meaning that the movements do not have their own essential nature independent of the others, their own proper actuality (to be a bit archaic/philosophical – but on this basis, points to Andrew because the Heidegger references were what unlocked it for me).
To Ciaran: thanks, but I actually find this stuff easier than some of the engineering stuff I used to have to do, because I´m more at home in this contextual background (even where I´m not familiar with the musical style in question). Don´t get much butter for it, though ... :-) |
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44 mins confidence: peer agreement (net): +1 lack of pretentiousness
Explanation:
principle of a formal lack of pretentiousness
But I might be off course here.
Decode Duden:
Un|ei|gent|lich|keit, die: Zustand, der einer Sache od. jmdm. uneigentlich zukommt: Es ist ein junger Mann von 22 Jahren, der in dieser Rede die Rokokokultur mit ihrem welken Charme der U., ihren listigen Schizophrenien und ihrem moribunden Manierentheater vernichtend heiter attackiert (Sloterdijk, Kritik 216).
As in: "An unassuming little Burgundy, but I think you'll be amused by its lack of pretentiousness"
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Note added at 7 hrs 44 mins (2004-01-16 20:19:37 GMT)
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Thanks Andrew;
I think we are reading fron the same libretto. Put it down to a lifelong fondness for JSB, but I couldn\'t stretch to \"vulgarity\", although I can hear Melvyn Bragg saying it :-) (A respected cultural commentator in the U.K. for those of you guys unfamiliar with his name) BTW: I asked a few (very good) pro German translators who had to check Duden themselves prior to rumination and even desperation...
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1 day 13 hrs confidence: departure
Explanation:
The comparative basis is the tightly woven vs. the deviation from the motif. Apparently, the exposition and development segments of the work are so, but the variation departs as far as formal principle allows in the scherzo section. Then, somehow (because it's Mendelsohn), he manages a finale which is satisfying because it both returns to theme (even melody), while still echoing the departures.
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Note added at 1 day 13 hrs 38 mins (2004-01-18 02:13:25 GMT)
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And a MATURE Mendelsohn.
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Note added at 1 day 13 hrs 46 mins (2004-01-18 02:21:49 GMT)
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Interesting review of new piece here, which at times \"kaempft mit sich selber.\"
http://www1.ndr.de/ndr_pages_std/0,2570,OID163500_REF762,00....
\"mit dem Zitat einer Melodiefloskel des Adagio aus Mahlers Neunter gefunden scheint – und sich dann unmittelbar wieder verliert –\"
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