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German term or phrase:Rechtspflege
English translation:Law
Entered by: Roman Lutz
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12:16 Mar 3, 2011
German to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs
German term or phrase: Rechtspflege
Zeugnis der Fachhoschulreife:

... unterzog sich als Schüler der Klasse XX der Abschlussprüfung in der Ausbildungsrichtung Wirtschaft, Verwaltung und ** Rechtspflege **


-> Business, Administration and : law? justice? administration of justice?


Danke :-)
Roman Lutz
Germany
Local time: 21:50
Law
Explanation:
Since what we are looking for is an 'A'-level subject, in the UK at least this is simply called 'Law'. So this pupil has studied economics, (business) administration and law at A-level. Please see my links in the discussion box and in my reference post.

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10th-Grade Civics and Economics
In civics and economics classes, 10th-graders discover the historical foundations of U.S. political, economic and social developments. Civics and economics engage students in examining economic concepts, problems, actions and politics, and they examine political and legal systems. The classes prepare students to become politically and economically active citizens. In addition, they provide students with economic and political perspectives that prepare them to examine U.S. history.



Read more: Approaches to Organizing Social Studies Curriculum at the Secondary School Level | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_7955268_approaches-curriculum-secon...

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So I would suggest: 'legal systems' since this is about the delivery of law in practice.

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If it refers only the US justice system, then 'system of justice' or 'justice system'.

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Thanks, Roman
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Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:50
Grading comment
Vielen Dank :-)
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +8Law
Helen Shiner
4 +4administration of justiceadamgajlewicz
3 +2legal services
Derek Gill Franßen
5 -2Jurisprudence
Albert Fischer (Dipl. Jur., LL.B., BDÜ)
4 -1General Principles of Law/Introduction to Law
AllegroTrans
Summary of reference entries provided
casper
Law degrees - course elements
Helen Shiner

Discussion entries: 41





  

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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
administration of justice


Explanation:
administration of justice

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Oxford Dictionary et al.

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http://tinyurl.com/5ulvvn7

Example sentence(s):
  • Collins Dictionary
adamgajlewicz
Local time: 21:50
Native speaker of: Native in PolishPolish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans
39 mins
  -> Thank you, AllegroTrans.

agree  Nicola Wood: Courses in this definitely exist (http://www.ohlone.edu/instr/adminjustice/) and given this is a "Schüler der Klasse XX", not yet at degree or masters level this is more likely than jurisprudence, which in my mind is studied at a much higher level.
57 mins
  -> Thank you, Nicola.

agree  Gabriella Bertelmann: agree
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Gabriella.

agree  xxxMack Tillman: I'd go along with your suggestion but would prefere saying "judicial administration".
6 hrs
  -> Thank you, Mack. I agree judicial administration sounds excellent.

neutral  phillee: 'to administer justice' is what police do (read Nicola's link) 'Rechtspflege' is what courts and their subsidiaries do.
7 hrs

neutral  Andrew Swift: Not forgetting the public executioner
7 hrs
  -> Nice to hear from you again, Andrew.
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18 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -2
Jurisprudence


Explanation:
Because.

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http://www.hotcoursesabroad.com/study/course/us-usa/doctor-o...

Albert Fischer (Dipl. Jur., LL.B., BDÜ)
Local time: 20:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  adamgajlewicz: you mean Rechtswissenschaft? (Die Rechtswissenschaft oder Jurisprudenz) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisprudence
6 mins
  -> Look mate it's all good with your Collins dictionary, but a CV would go 'Jurisprudence' and not 'admin of justice'. That's all.

disagree  AllegroTrans: Because? what does that mean, that you are so competent that you don;t have to give any explanation for your answer?/your ref. simply shows that the term is used, it does not show that this is an appropriate translation for the asker's term
30 mins
  -> http://www.hotcoursesabroad.com/study/course/us-usa/doctor-o... TERM IS BEING USED *IN THIS CONTEXT* AND IS AN APPROPRIATE TRANSLATION, SEE DISCUSSION ENTRY. YOU GUYS ARE DEMANDING TODAY

neutral  xxxMack Tillman: Jurisprudence would be the equivalent Rechtswissenschaften and I doubt that a studen having obtained his "Fachhochschulreife" would be able to be set equivelent with having gone to the University.
5 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
legal services


Explanation:
...might also work here. The most common translation for "Rechtspflege" is probably "administration of justice" (as has already been suggested), but I'm not sure it needs to be so exact here.

I doubt that these students are learning "law," like an attorney would, or to become an "Rechtspfleger," but rather most likely "about" the law or aspects thereof and, in particular, the types of legal services jobs available to non-lawyers.

Either way, i.e., even if that were not the case, I think that the term "legal services" might be sufficiently broad and yet succinct enough to express what is most assuredly a rather broad set of classes, without going too deep into the subject (for more on that, see pp. 8 et seq here: http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic... ).

Here is an example of such use in a translation:
"Das Gesetz über die Gerichtsbarkeit und Rechtspflege von 1990 (Courts and Legal Services Act 1990) bestätigte die Zuständigkeit und Befugnisse der Zunft im [...]."
See http://books.google.de/books?id=qg1E4GYzHdsC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA...

BTW, "legal services" would work in both US and UK contexts (see, for example, http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/ ). ;)

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As a matter of clarification, I think that almost anyone employed in the legal system, e.g., judges, lawyers, clerks, officers, etc., is providing "legal services."

Derek Gill Franßen
Germany
Local time: 21:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 47

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Johanna Timm, PhD: 100 %
44 mins
  -> Thanks, Johanna! :)

neutral  Helen Shiner: I'm sorry but I can't quite agree with 'legal services' since it sounds too parochial and related to the services one might expect to find offered by a business. I think we have to find something else: if we've to be more specific than law: justice system
56 mins
  -> Fair enough, Helen, but I'm not sure it is parochial: some "services" are offered by businesses, e.g., "professional services," while others are offered by the state, e.g., "social services." I'd disagree with "legal systems" since it is surely but one.

agree  Albert Fischer (Dipl. Jur., LL.B., BDÜ)
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Albert (we really do have a tough crowd today)! ;D

neutral  Andrew Swift: 50% - I think 'legal services' are what you offer after you have obtained your qualifications. // Sorry for lack of clarity, Derek. I think this is actually an Education question rather than Law/Patents. We need the name of a school/college subject.
2 hrs
  -> I'm not sure I get your point, Andrew. After all, this school subject covers the practical side of law (otherwise it would read "Recht"). Cheers! :) // That could be, but then I wouldn't have offered an answer. ;) Have a good weekend! :)
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
General Principles of Law/Introduction to Law


Explanation:
This is my take on this - I am sure this is an introductory course
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School of Law (Course Descriptions)
Course Descriptions. 40101 General Principles of Law. Meaning, nature and structure of law in general; origin and evolution of law; theories and ...
www.stou.ac.th/Eng/Courses/course_lw.asp - Cached
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AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Albert Fischer (Dipl. Jur., LL.B., BDÜ): nothing personal, but that is not contained in the source text at all.
7 mins
  -> that is often the way with translation; you have to produce matural-sounding English and very often this will not be a literal translation

neutral  Rose Newell: This would be an alternative in some contexts, but not this one.
3 hrs
  -> thank you
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +8
Law


Explanation:
Since what we are looking for is an 'A'-level subject, in the UK at least this is simply called 'Law'. So this pupil has studied economics, (business) administration and law at A-level. Please see my links in the discussion box and in my reference post.

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10th-Grade Civics and Economics
In civics and economics classes, 10th-graders discover the historical foundations of U.S. political, economic and social developments. Civics and economics engage students in examining economic concepts, problems, actions and politics, and they examine political and legal systems. The classes prepare students to become politically and economically active citizens. In addition, they provide students with economic and political perspectives that prepare them to examine U.S. history.



Read more: Approaches to Organizing Social Studies Curriculum at the Secondary School Level | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_7955268_approaches-curriculum-secon...

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So I would suggest: 'legal systems' since this is about the delivery of law in practice.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2011-03-03 17:14:23 GMT)
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If it refers only the US justice system, then 'system of justice' or 'justice system'.

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Note added at 6 days (2011-03-09 23:01:32 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Roman

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:50
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Vielen Dank :-)

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Derek Gill Franßen: To me, the word "Rechtspflege" suggests more the practical than the theoretical side. I think, however, that we generally agree (the "A-level" can be left off for the US and is clear from context).//I think "legal administration" is too specific. Cheers!
4 mins
  -> Thanks, Derek - now we just have to establish what an American pupil might learn at an equivalent level.//It ought to be clear, but does not seem to be universally so, given some of the other answers. Might simply be 'legal administration'./Legal systems?

agree  Albert Fischer (Dipl. Jur., LL.B., BDÜ)
32 mins
  -> Thanks, Albert

agree  Andrew Swift: Agree 110% with asker's comment in Discussion Box: "Keep It Short & Simple."
2 hrs
  -> Yes, it is only at Fachhochschulreife level after all.

agree  phillee: 100%
2 hrs
  -> What an almighty battle to reach something so simple.

agree  Rose Newell: See discussion. We should not introduce distinctions into English that only exist in German.
3 hrs
  -> Thanks, Rose, I totally agree with you. Thanks for additional clarity as ever.

agree  AllegroTrans
4 hrs
  -> Thanks, AllegroTrans

agree  opolt
5 hrs
  -> Thanks, opolt

agree  Horst Huber: Just from the flow of the (somewhat grandiloquent) German three term phrase, "law" seems the most fitting.
1 day10 hrs
  -> Thanks, Horst
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Reference comments


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Reference

Reference information:
Fachhochschule für öffentliche Verwaltung und Rechtspflege in Bayern

University of Applied Sciences for Public Administration and Legal Affairs in Bavaria

http://www.fhvr-aiv.de/en/international/study-in-hof.html

casper
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 10
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2 hrs
Reference: Law degrees - course elements

Reference information:
This link gives you some idea of what a typical undergraduate course in law might consist of:
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/ug/degrees/

If you click on the corresponding links for each degree, it gives you a precise outline of the subjects studied at each level. I was particularly drawn to the BA in Law and Business which sounds very much like what your text is referencing.

This is obviously appropriate to the UK market. You might need similar links for the US.

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This link shows the entrance requirements and age at which pupils or students are awarded particular qualifications, etc.:

http://www.euroeducation.net/prof/germanco.htm

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
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