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English translation: alarms (except New List)/alarms (except new message list)

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German term or phrase:	Alarme auf Neuseite
English translation:	alarms (except New List)/alarms (except new message list)
Entered by:	Blaess

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07:56 Sep 7, 2009

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Tech/Engineering - Computers: Hardware / Simatic

German term or phrase: Alarmen auf Neuseite

Context:

Die Berechtigungsstufe „Operator“ erlaubt Selektion von Alarmen (außer auf Neuseite),

I'm rather puzzled by what "Neuseite" means in this context (amongst the Bedienmöglichkeiten for the Operator authorization level in Simatic/PCS 7).

David Williams KudoZ activity Questions: 1362 (7 open) (68 closed without grading) Answers: 463
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selection of alarms (except New List)

Explanation:
DE - DE: Neuseite = Neuliste (see below)
The "Neuseite"/"Neuliste"/Newlist contains (alarm) messages that have no been acknowledged.

New List. All of the message that have not been acknowledged.
https://a248.e.akamai.net/cache.automation.siemens.com/dnl/T...

Neuliste
enthält alle unquittierten Meldungen.
http://www.e-technik.fh-lausitz.de/~slaass/Et/ps7phesa.pdf

PC-CS unterteilt analog zum OS die Meldungen in Altseiten (für die
quittierten Meldungen) und in Neuseiten (für alle unquittierten Meldungen).
In einer Meldezeile werden alle Bereiche angezeigt, in denen Meldungen
aktiv sind, wobei zwischen quittierten und unquittierten unterschieden
wird.
http://www.c-m-e.de/downloads/PC-CS(D).pdf

Auf der Alarm-Neuseite werden Meldungen angezeigt, welche nicht quittiert werden können. Die Meldungen sind bereits als "gegangen" gekennzeichnet. Was ist die Ursache hierfür?

Es werden für den Online-Abgleich der Meldungen Kurzzeitarchive verwendet. Ist das " Rückladen der Meldungsliste nach Netzausfall" aktiviert (Bild 1), dann wird eine alte Alarmliste aus dem Meldearchiv geladen - SIMATIC PCS 7 benötigt allerdings die alten Alarmlisten nicht.
https://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/llisapi.dll?func=c...

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Blaess
Germany
Local time: 00:32

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selection of alarms (except New List)

Blaess

message new page

lisa23

Discussion entries: 5

Blaess

Germany

New List (2)

12:53 Sep 13, 2009

- Process list - displays all process messages, such as for a rack failure
- Journal - Displays all messages
http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/skm/pdfviewer.asp?H...

(further mentioning of "new list" in this document, also as a term in a table (8.3.3))

Blaess

Germany

New List (1)

12:51 Sep 13, 2009

From the Siemens brochure on PCS 7 - it can be seen that "new list" as a technical term and should be used as such [there is no mentioning of "new page" as a technical term]:
"In a special message view it is possible to switch between the control system message pages such as new list, old list, cleared alarm list, operator action list, control element list and message history list."
http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/skm/pdfviewer.asp?H...

From Siemens Configuration Manual Process Control PCS 7 - there is a set of standard lists:
8.3.2 Using Message Lists during Process Operation
During process operation, the plant operator can call the message list by means of a button. From there, you can call additional message lists. The following message lists are available:
- New list - displays all unacknowledged messages
- Old list - displays all messages that have been acknowledged but are still pending in process
- Gone list - displays all messages marked as "gone" that have not been acknowledged
- Operation list - displays all operation mess

lisa23

Germany

Hi David

16:17 Sep 9, 2009

sorry, no time to answer; but without knowing the entire text, I am not able to assess which of the expressions may be identical or refer to the same element. I think that the important thing is to be consistent in using the individual terms. Unfortunately, I'm not a "Simatic/PCS 7 Specialist" :-)
Best regards, Lisa

David Williams

ASKER

Incoming alarm list?

10:09 Sep 7, 2009

Would this be the same as the "Neuliste" which, in a screenshot couple of pages further on, calls itself the "Incoming alarm list"?

Andrew Morgan

Emphasis?

08:37 Sep 7, 2009

David, I think you've got the emphasis wrong here. The text you quote doesn't actually contain "Alarmen auf Neuseite" but says that if you are logged in as "Operator" you can define alarms unless you are in the situation "Neuseite". My last simatic translation work (S5 Manuals) is 25 years ago but I would guess that "Neuseite" is a specific menu item (presumably opening a new page for your program or script) where, for whatever reason, you can't set alarms.

Answers

1 hr confidence:

message new page

Explanation:
i.e. at this operator level, it is possible to select specific messages, but not on the (message) new page

Although this is a translation from the German, I would stick to this terminology "new page" for Neuseite.
PC-CS divides, analogous to the OS, the messages
into old page frames (for the acknowledged messages) and into new page frames (for all unacknowledged messages).
SIMATIC PCS 7 V5/V6 - non-acknowledgable messages on the message new page
QUESTION:
On the message new page, messages are displayed that cannot be acknowledged.

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Note added at 1 Stunde (2009-09-07 09:52:26 GMT)
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oh sorry, this section "QUESTION" is a quote from the Siemens page, the whole section is:

QUESTION:
On the message new page, messages are displayed that cannot be acknowledged. The messages are already identified as "acknowledged". What is the reason for this?
ANSWER:
Short-term archives are used for the online comparison of the messages. If "Reload Message List After Power Failure" is enabled (Fig. 1), then an old message list is loaded from the message archive - but SIMATIC PCS 7 does not require the old message list.

Reference: http://www.c-m-e.de/downloads/PC-CS(E).pdf

lisa23
Germany
Local time: 00:32
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 8

Notes to answerer

Asker: Excellent, many thanks, although I don't quite understand your question.

Asker: Thanks :-) So "Altliste" would probably be the "old page frame" mentioned above, wouldn't it?

Asker: Or would this be the same as the "Neuliste" which, in the screenshot, calls itself the "Incoming alarm list"?

Asker: Nichtdestotrotz: Many thanks to you too!

14 hrs confidence:

Selektion von Alarmen (außer auf Neuseite)

selection of alarms (except New List)

Blaess
Germany
Local time: 00:32
Works in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Excellent, many thanks!

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Changes made by editors

Sep 18, 2009 - Changes made by Blaess:
Edited KOG entry	David Williams's old entry - "Alarmen auf Neuseite" => "alarms (except New List)/alarms (except new message list)"
Sep 18, 2009 - Changes made by David Williams:
Edited KOG entry	David Williams's old entry - "Alarmen auf Neuseite" => "alarms (except New List)"

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