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English translation: not allowed, and for good reason.

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14:53 Jun 22, 2011

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Tech/Engineering - Computers: Systems, Networks / CATIA/3D modelling

German term or phrase: nicht umsonst unzulässig

Context:

"Die Formatänderung stellt eine Problematik dar, die nicht umsonst nach den DMU-Regeln unzulässig ist."

This is in connection with a digital mock-up of a vehicle/aircraft, cf.
I suspect that "unzulässig" ought actually to be "zulässig", but am not sure how best to put this. I'm working along the lines of:

"The change in format is a problem as it/that is not really permitted according to the DMU rules."

Cf.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/4411321
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/4408793
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/4410374
http://www.eurocopter.com/w1/jrotor/78/EC175.html
http://www.eads.com/eads/germany/de/presse/press.9a927b84-18...
etc.

It is basically "die das Gesamtbild vereinheitlichen" that I'm not too sure about here, although the first half of the sentence also strikes me as somewhat problematic.

* Sentence or paragraph where the term occurs: See above
* Document type: Technical description
* Target audience: Aerospace engineers
* Country and dialect (source): Germany
* Country and dialect (target): American English

David Williams KudoZ activity Questions: 1362 (7 open) (68 closed without grading) Answers: 463
Local time: 00:35

English translation:not allowed, and for good reason.

Explanation:
I think there may be something wrong with the sentence, as it implies that the "Problematik" is "unzulässig", when it's actually the "Formatänderung". However, this is almost certainly what it means.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-06-22 17:11:54 GMT)
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I think it should be "da sie nicht umsonst".

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philgoddard
Local time: 17:35

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4 +3

not allowed, and for good reason.

philgoddard

not for nothing is it forbidden

coopergaby

It is not without reason, that it is excluded/ruled out by DMU regulations.

Wendy Streitparth

prohibited, and justifiably so.

Ramey Rieger

Discussion entries: 3

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2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

not allowed, and for good reason.

philgoddard
Local time: 17:35
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8

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15 mins confidence:

nicht umsonst (un)zulässig not for nothing is it forbidden

Explanation:
'unzulässig' is correct in the context as there is a double negation by 'nicht umsonst'.
so the meaning is: 'there is a reason why this is forbidden/why this is not permitted'
so your proposed translation gets it right :-)

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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-06-22 17:32:08 GMT)
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Hi Phil, your suggestion ('for good reason')does indeed sound better - the reason I used the 'not for nothing' phrase is that it mirrors the German construction and demonstrates the double negative.
Maybe I should have posted this as a discussion entry instead of an answer.

coopergaby
Local time: 00:35
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 4

2 hrs confidence:

prohibited, and justifiably so.

Explanation:

if I've understood correctly

Example sentence(s):

The problem with the change in format is that it is prohibited by DMU rules, and justifiably so.

Ramey Rieger
Local time: 00:35
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

3 hrs confidence:

It is not without reason, that it is excluded/ruled out by DMU regulations.

Explanation:
I would make a new sentence of it or use a colon.

Wendy Streitparth
Local time: 00:35
Native speaker of:

English

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Jun 22, 2011 - Changes made by Ingo Dierkschnieder:
Term asked	nicht umsonst (un)zulässig => nicht umsonst unzulässig

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