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German: breit (in a chemical formulation)

English translation: broad



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German term or phrase:breit (in a chemical formulation)
English translation:broad
Entered by:Sonya Gerisch
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Law/Patents - Cosmetics, Beauty / Hair treatments
German term or phrase: breit (in a chemical formulation)
Follow-up to the last question.
The chemical formulation in this patent (colorant for hair) contains the term "breit" e.g.: 1H-NMR (300 MHz, DMSO): 7.9-7.0 (s, breit, 4H, OH and NH3+); 6.56 (d, J=1.8,1H, H(2)); 6.50 (d, J=8.1, 1H, H(5)); 6.41 (dd, J=1.8, J=8.1, 1H, H(6)); 3.35 (s, 2H, CH2-C=O); 3.41 (t, 2H, J=6.6, N-CH2); 3.26 (t, 2H, J=6.6, N-CH2); 1.89-1.69 (m, 4H).

Can anyone tell me what this could possibly mean?
Sorry I cannot give more context than that. It appears like this every time in the document.
Thanks,
Sonya Gerisch
United States
Clarification request(s) and response
Sonya Gerisch (asker): 9:47pm Mar 24, 2005: Thank you Ingo for the very fast response. Your proposed translation, however, is how it is translated now. That wording sounds very awkward to me because I don't think we would say "62% of theory" in English. I was asking to see if someone has seen this unusual wording in patents before. I have not.
Sonya Gerisch (asker): 9:48pm Mar 24, 2005: I can't figure out how to reply to Ingo's answer, and I accidently put my response here for the 2nd question. Please ignore.
Zareh Darakjian Ph.D.: 3:44am Mar 25, 2005: The "s" stands for singlet. The peak is not split. The peak woule be split by neighboring C hydrogens.
So the neighboring C does not have hydrogens. Whay broad? many reasons (hydrogen bonding, etc.).
OH H-signals are broad becuase the hydrogen jumps... -
Zareh Darakjian Ph.D.: 3:45am Mar 25, 2005: back and forth OH ....O O .....HO. Just like if you were trying to take a photo of a kid who was
constantly moving ... the picture will be fuzzy. well, in NMR broad is fuzzy,,, loss of information.
Sharp peaks are highly prized! -
Zareh Darakjian Ph.D.: 3:46am Mar 25, 2005: Peaks can also be broadened due to "relaxation"... but tha's another story... -
Zareh Darakjian Ph.D.: 2:54pm Mar 25, 2005: Hi Sonya:

the "m"s that you see are "multiplets": peak divided many time. The "J's are "spin coupling constants": they mediate coupling of nuclear spins ---> splitting. "d" stands for doublet, "s" for singlet, "q" for quartet. -

broad
Explanation:
This explains the form of the band (all the nice peaks and bumps you can see on the print-out) you get in a chromatography of the product and is often just given as br (same in English and German).

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Note added at 9 mins (2005-03-24 21:52:04 GMT)
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Sorry, of course it\'s less a form than a shape.
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Ingo Dierkschnieder
United Kingdom
Note from asker to answerer
Thanks to everyone. It is really appreciated.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2broad
Ingo Dierkschnieder
4 +1broadSarahSW


  

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broad

Explanation:
No idea why, but s-broad can be found in English texts dealing with similar chemicals, and the authors can't all be misled Germans...


    Reference: http://www.springerlink.com/app/home/contribution.asp?wasp=4...
SarahSW
Ireland
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Zareh Darakjian Ph.D.: Yes. "s" is for singlet. No splitting.
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broad

Explanation:
This explains the form of the band (all the nice peaks and bumps you can see on the print-out) you get in a chromatography of the product and is often just given as br (same in English and German).

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Note added at 9 mins (2005-03-24 21:52:04 GMT)
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Sorry, of course it\'s less a form than a shape.

Ingo Dierkschnieder
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 12
Note from asker to answerer
Thanks to everyone. It is really appreciated.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Yvonne Becker: The text is talking about an NMR analysis. I agree, you say broad
55 mins
  -> My fault: of course it's an NMR analysis.

agree Zareh Darakjian Ph.D.: Yes!
5 hrs
  -> Great explanation there, Zareh. Thanks.
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