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12:06 Aug 21, 2008

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German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Education / Pedagogy / program of studies

German term or phrase: Zusatzstudiengang

(Please note: The person who completed these studies also has a Dipl.-Ing. (Fachhochschule) degree in electrical engineering completed 3 years prior to the completion of the degree below.)

Fachhochschule Niederrhein

Herr XX XX
hat das Studium im ***Zusatzstudiengang***
Wirtschaftsingeniuerwesen
mit der Diplompruefung am XX.XX.XXXX
an der Fachhochschule Niederrhein
erfolgreich abgeschlossen.

Aufgrund dieser Pruefung verleiht
die Fachhochschule Niederrhein
den akademischen Grad
Diplom-Wirtschaftsingenieur (Fachhochschule)
Dipl.-Wirt. Ing. (FH)

nelblu4 KudoZ activity Questions: 79 (none open) (1 without valid answers) (13 closed without grading) Answers: 30
Local time: 03:52

Summary of answers provided

3 +4

additional course of studies

Robin Salmon

5 +1

postgraduate program(me)!!

Stefan Hollstein

4 +1

postgraduate program(me)

sylvie malich

supplemental study program

lirka

Answers

13 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

additional course of studies

Explanation:
There are conventions for names of qualifications which differ in various countries; I hope this covers it.

Robin Salmon
Australia
Local time: 19:52
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 55

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you for your input! I used "supplementary program": www.uni-duisburg-essen.de/imperia/md/content/pressestelle/campus_compact2.pdf

20 hrs confidence:

supplemental study program

Explanation:
a suggestion

lirka
Local time: 04:52
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Slovenian
PRO pts in category: 68

Notes to answerer

Asker: I had closed this question shortly after posting it. I went with "supplementary program" www.uni-duisburg-essen.de/imperia/md/content/pressestelle/campus_compact2.pdf

Asker: The person in question has the title Diplom and got another Diplom. So I agree with your response :)

20 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

postgraduate program(me)!!

Explanation:
I'm posting this only to support SYLVIE MALICH's answer!! The space in the *agree* comment line won't allow me to provide sufficient evidence.

As it happens, I'm enrolled in a *Ergänzungsstudiengang* myself (German as a Foreign Language at Humboldt University) alongside my regular course and know for sure that it is different from a Zusatzstudium/Aufbaustudium which can only be chosen AFTER finishing one's first degree. Please check the exam regulations:

§ 4 Zulassungsvoraussetzungen
(1) Das **Zusatzstudium** setzt den Abschluß eines grundständigen Studiums in einem philologischen Fach voraus. Das **Ergänzungsstudium** setzt den Abschluß des Grundstudiums in einem philologischen Fach voraus. Es kann bereits während des
Hauptstudiums begonnen, die Abschlußprüfung im Ergänzungsstudium aber erst nach Abschluß des grundständigen
Studiums abgelegt werden.

www2.hu-berlin.de/.../_download/lehramt_deutsch/deutschalsfremdsprache_studienpruefungsordnung.pdf

The Zusatzstudium variety of this course is referred to on uni websites as POSTGRADUATE COURSE, cf.

http://ranking.zeit.de/che9/CHE_en?module=Fachbereich&do=sho...
http://www.uni-giessen.de/studium-international/englisch/inf...

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Note added at 21 hrs (2008-08-22 09:42:32 GMT)
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What is relevant is the German context, not the US. Even the DAAD refers to any post first degree study programmes at German universities as *postgraduate courses* (there's a whole broschure available online, just google).

And the *Zusatzstudiengang Wirtschaftsingenieurwesen* CERTAINLY IS postgraduate.

I couldn't access the website of the HS Niederrhein for some reason but found the same course at a different uni where it is explicitly stated that you need to have completed a degree prior to enrolling for this course:

*Als Zulassungsvoraussetzung für das Zusatzstudium gilt ein Hochschulabschluss (Universitäts- oder Fachhochschulabschluss) auf dem Gebiet des Ingenieurwesens.*

http://idw-online.de/pages/de/news45572

What is this if not postgraduate?

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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2008-08-22 21:05:09 GMT)
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OK, last posting:

First, you DID claim that Zusatzstudium was not postgraduate, both in your comments to my answer and in your comment to Sylvie Malich's answer.

Second, since there exists a distinction in Germany between Zusatzstudium (which is postgraduate) and Ergänzungsstudiengang (which is not postgraduate), it makes sense to take this distinction into consideration when translating (supplementary = ALONGSIDE first degree, additional / postgraduate programme = AFTER first degree).

See e.g. the following pages from German universities that translate Ergänzungsstudiengang by *supplementary programme* (you can toggle the German / English text):

http://www.fh-stralsund.de/lehrangebot/lehrebaum/show.php3?i...
http://www.hmt-hannover.de/en/studies/programmes-of-study/mu...

Stefan Hollstein
Germany
Local time: 10:52
Works in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 8

Notes to answerer

Asker: No one questioned the requirements... I just can't go with post-graduate which makes sense in a North-American system given that the DE degrees can often not be distinguished as such (like an undergrad, postgrad). It's certainly not post-graduate.... Please note that in this context the person in question has the title Diplom and got another Diplom. Given these circumstances and seeing how "supplementary program" is also used, that's what I went with. www.uni-duisburg-essen.de/imperia/md/content/pressestelle/campus_compact2.pdf

Asker: Again, no one is questioning the requirements of having previous degree. That may be the case and it is for this person.

Asker: No one said that it's not intended for "post-Diplom" people..... so I cannot answer your question "What is this if not postgraduate" cause I didn't argue the opposite as I'm aware that this has a previous degree prerequisite. It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that someone enrolling into a "Business Administration and Engineering" program needs to have an engineering degree. Again, this is a matter of preference and given the source I found, supplementary program is a translation used for this term and that's what I used. The source I provided clearly uses that. So it seems there is no definite translation for it. I don't see why this is a point of argument for you.

Asker: my post and discussion related to finding a suitable translation, which i did. consequently, my comments are related to the suitable term to use, not to discuss what type of program it is. you can however understand my comments whichever way you want -- please note that this question was closed before your answer and before sylvie's answer. so we can all invest our time into more productive things...

Asker: obviously your keen no reading and reviewing -- it clearly doesnt just say 'its not post-grad' in my post -- theres another sentence following meaning i was referring to finding a suitable translation. you can write to Uni Duisburg if you have a problem with their translation.

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

postgraduate program(me)

Explanation:
[...] degree course in postgraduate studies (including graduate programmes). Previous studies need not necessarily have been related to the field of studies covered by the Zusatzstudiengang.

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-08-21 13:37:06 GMT)
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Simultaneously... as soon as I posted, the "question was closed without grading" flag came up.

Could you provide us with the answer if not only for the glossary?

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-08-21 13:40:51 GMT)
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Never mind! I believe we've already had the pleasure of meeting here. You have a lovely life too, dear! ((C;

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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-08-21 15:45:30 GMT)
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tsk, always the last word...

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Note added at 3 days5 hrs (2008-08-24 17:42:59 GMT)
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For STEFAN HOLLSTEIN's benefit I was able to access the text version of the Fachhochschule Niederrhein: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:8Mqn2Q1-vUoJ:www.hs-nie...

Example sentence(s):

www.uni-duisburg.de/Institute/OAWISS/download/doc/BROSCHUERE_ZS_OAWI.PDF

sylvie malich
Germany
Local time: 10:52
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 19

Notes to answerer

Asker: It's certainly not post-graduate.... It's "supplementary program": www.uni-duisburg-essen.de/imperia/md/content/pressestelle/campus_compact2.pdf

Asker: good luck with your crisis.

Asker: i posted this question not to not to discuss whether this is a post-undergrad program but to find a suitable translation which i did and closed the question as well... thank you for your understanding.

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Aug 21, 2008 - Changes made by Steffen Walter:
Field	Other => Social Sciences

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