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(wegen) geringerer polizeilicher Rente

English translation: state pension

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03:34 Mar 10, 2007
German to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Genealogy
German term or phrase: (wegen) geringerer polizeilicher Rente
An 1866 Leumundszeugnis states that a journeyman mason in Deggendorf (Bavaria) "in den Jahren 1852 und 1858 wegen ••geringerer polizeilicher Rente•• mit 12 Stund und beziehungsweise 2 Tag Arrest bestraft wurde."

What, exactly, was his offense? Did he twice fall short in some payment owed the police? I am aware of various meanings for "Rente, including those in the 1888 Heath's and 1902 Muret-Sanders. But can anyone shed light on this in the police context?
Ann C Sherwin
Local time: 14:03
English translation:state pension
Explanation:
is my guess, based on the entry for Polizei in the 1908 Hermann Paul dictionary=
"die Staatsverwaltung überhapt"

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Note added at 5 hrs (2007-03-10 08:58:41 GMT)
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Grimm =
"1) vom 15. bis ins 17. jahrh. verstand man unter polizei die regierung, verwaltung und ordnung, besonders eine art sittenaufsicht in staat und gemeinde und die darauf bezüglichen verordnungen und maszregeln (vgl. MEDICUS im deutschen staatswörterb. 8, 128. STEIN verwaltungslehre 95), auch den staat selbst, sowie die staatskunst, politik (des Machiavelli policei. SCHM.2 1, 386 vom jahre 1694). "

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Note added at 5 hrs (2007-03-10 09:05:44 GMT)
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so the meaning here predates "cops" as it were, back to its original meaning, which according to the Grimm dictionary is "policy"

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Note added at 1 day5 hrs (2007-03-11 08:37:08 GMT)
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according to the 1905 Muret-Sanders, Rente also denotes "debt", so perhaps he was not able to fullly reimburse his "debt policy"??
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Jonathan MacKerron
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Though I must reject "state pension" (with apologies for giving too little background up front), I thank you for pointing out the older, broader definition of "polizeilich," which is really more helpful than knowing the exact meaning of "Rente."
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state pension


Explanation:
is my guess, based on the entry for Polizei in the 1908 Hermann Paul dictionary=
"die Staatsverwaltung überhapt"

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Note added at 5 hrs (2007-03-10 08:58:41 GMT)
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Grimm =
"1) vom 15. bis ins 17. jahrh. verstand man unter polizei die regierung, verwaltung und ordnung, besonders eine art sittenaufsicht in staat und gemeinde und die darauf bezüglichen verordnungen und maszregeln (vgl. MEDICUS im deutschen staatswörterb. 8, 128. STEIN verwaltungslehre 95), auch den staat selbst, sowie die staatskunst, politik (des Machiavelli policei. SCHM.2 1, 386 vom jahre 1694). "

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Note added at 5 hrs (2007-03-10 09:05:44 GMT)
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so the meaning here predates "cops" as it were, back to its original meaning, which according to the Grimm dictionary is "policy"

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Note added at 1 day5 hrs (2007-03-11 08:37:08 GMT)
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according to the 1905 Muret-Sanders, Rente also denotes "debt", so perhaps he was not able to fullly reimburse his "debt policy"??

Jonathan MacKerron
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 6
Grading comment
Though I must reject "state pension" (with apologies for giving too little background up front), I thank you for pointing out the older, broader definition of "polizeilich," which is really more helpful than knowing the exact meaning of "Rente."
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