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19:58 Feb 14, 2009
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German to English translations [PRO]
Geography / type of city
German term or phrase: Grafenstadt
Die alte "Grafenstadt" ist auf einem Felsen gebaut und ist reich bestückt mit Mandelbäumchen, Bouleplätzen und alten Gemäuern.

What could be the English equivalent of this? Any help is much appreciated!
Courtney Sliwinski
Local time: 09:16
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Summary of answers provided
4Graf = noble/count Grafenstadt-----medieval town run by countPaul Hamburg
4Comtal City / City of Counts
Alfredo Vargas
4courtly town
Steve Thomasson
5 -1medieval town / village of Saint-Benoît-du-Sault
andres-larsen
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ComtéLancashireman

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36 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
medieval town / village of Saint-Benoît-du-Sault


Explanation:
medieval town / village of Saint-Benoît-du-Sault

sources:

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andres-larsen
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Ulrike Kraemer: sorry, but: firstly, "medieval" does not express that the town was the seat of a count; secondly, it's the wrong place (Sault in Provence, not Saint-Benoît-du-Sault in Central France)
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41 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
courtly town


Explanation:
Just looked at Sault's website and found this on the local history - a great-grandson of Charlemagne took residence in Sault and was king of Provence also.

In tourism guides such as the Rough Guides (I'm presuming that this piece is of a "tourism" nature) this turn of phrase seems to crop up a bit for towns which had a monarch living in them.

My Internet connection is going very slowly right now so apologies in advance if I've inadvertently repeated a post...


    Reference: http://www.saultenprovence.com/gb/sault.asp?idpage=15021
    Reference: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-9rmBw1PIFcC&pg=PA316&lpg...
Steve Thomasson
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Comtal City / City of Counts


Explanation:
Making an analogy with Barcelona, that has a similar nickname, I have found several references about using Comtal City or City of Counts for Barcelona. I include one right here in proz.com

Example sentence(s):
  • According to the dE Dictionary, "Barcelona Comtal" is "City of the Counts." Meaning that"Catalonia of the Counts"
  • Native name Barcelona (Catalan) Spanish name Barcelona Nickname Ciutat Comtal (City of Counts)

    Reference: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/catalan_to_english/history/1042086...
    Reference: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Vueling-Airlines
Alfredo Vargas
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Graf = noble/count Grafenstadt-----medieval town run by count


Explanation:
so it is the seat of a count's domain (sort of like "county")

Paul Hamburg
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Reference comments


4 hrs peer agreement (net): +4
Reference: Comté

Reference information:
I note you have asked for the ‘English equivalent’, but it has to be said that Francophile Brits are more than happy to see text sprinkled with Frenchisms. Sorry if this is translation really intended for Atlantic-hoppers rather than Channel-hoppers (said he, insincerely).

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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-02-15 00:25:51 GMT)
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PS: The obvious equivalent is 'county', but the term does not transfer well to France from a UK local government context and, I suspect, even less well from the USA, the history of which is not exactly replete with aristocratic seats.

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Note added at 1 day23 hrs (2009-02-16 19:57:40 GMT)
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You're welcome, Courtney. Ignoring one land border and the minor matter of a switch between Romance languages, the closest equivalent is probably Barcelona ;-)
Regards
AJS

Example sentence(s):
  • “This former capital of the Comté, SAULT EN PROVENCE, built on a rocky outcrop overlooking the valley that bears its name…”

    Reference: http://www.bed-breakfast-provence.fr/B-lavande-paysages.html
Lancashireman
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Note to reference poster
Asker: Hi Andrew! I would like to select your answer, but unfortunately you put it in the reference section, so I can't. Thanks for the help though!


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Maria Diehn: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Archcount#Compound_...
2 hrs
agree  Ulrike Kraemer: Beautiful place, the "former capital of the Comté" in Provence. They used to sell very lecker lavender-flavoured raspberry preserve there ...
10 hrs
agree  Derek Gill Franßen: Why not teach us Americans a new word or two? ;)
12 hrs
agree  Textklick: Sounds well-reasoned. @Derek; Could be you are right. Someone should take over where George Dubbya left off. ;-)
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