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deklarativ vorgeben

English translation: claim to [verb] in a declarative manner


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08:27 Jun 30, 2011
German to English translations [PRO]
Government / Politics
German term or phrase: deklarativ vorgeben
Wenn sie [Staaten] dennoch deklarativ vorgeben, es zu tun, handeln sie zweckgerichtet ideologisch, um einer objektiven Interessenlage rhetorisch-performativ und gestisch-emotional ein kommunikatives Fundament zu verschaffen, welches den Rezipienten solcher Kommunikation ermöglicht, sich weiterhin im falschen Bewußtsein über den realen Charakter der Verhältnisse zu wiegen.

This is from a journalistic article about the Middle East conflict.
hkeet
Local time: 02:07
English translation:claim to [verb] in a declarative manner
Explanation:
Although these Staaten claim to [verb] in a declarative manner, in actual fact, for ideological reasons ....

This is about communication styles. Please retain 'declarative' as the correct term here.

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Note added at 52 mins (2011-06-30 09:19:16 GMT)
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Among Austin’s points in his discussion of performative verbs is that they look exactly like declarative statements, yet they aren’t. “I run this meeting” has the same grammatical form as “I adjourn this meeting,” but the first one is declarative while the second is performative. One of the consequences of this peculiarity is that unlike regular declaratives, performatives cannot be evaluated for truth or falseness.
http://itotd.com/articles/419/performative-verbs/
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Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 02:07
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2claim to [verb] in a declarative manner
Helen Shiner
3ostensively declareHorst Huber
2 +1profess affirmatively
Ramey Rieger


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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +1
profess affirmatively


Explanation:
That is SOME sentence! Hope this helps

Ramey Rieger
Local time: 03:07
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jaime Hyland: For a journalistic article, this stuff looks challenging for a relaxing read on the U-Bahn!
26 mins
  -> I'm thrilled, it's better than the New York Sunday Times crossword! Thanks Jaime!
neutral  Helen Shiner: Sorry, this misses the key term 'declarative'.//Yes, absolutely, please read my references - this is the stuff of critical theory and should not be watered down (or you'll have one annoyed author).
46 mins
  -> Okay. Do you really think it comes over in English? Perhaps "blatantly"...my CL reveals all.// We definately wouldn't want that! He/she really made an effort, it's actually brilliant - no sarcasm intended.
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51 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
claim to [verb] in a declarative manner


Explanation:
Although these Staaten claim to [verb] in a declarative manner, in actual fact, for ideological reasons ....

This is about communication styles. Please retain 'declarative' as the correct term here.

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Note added at 52 mins (2011-06-30 09:19:16 GMT)
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Among Austin’s points in his discussion of performative verbs is that they look exactly like declarative statements, yet they aren’t. “I run this meeting” has the same grammatical form as “I adjourn this meeting,” but the first one is declarative while the second is performative. One of the consequences of this peculiarity is that unlike regular declaratives, performatives cannot be evaluated for truth or falseness.
http://itotd.com/articles/419/performative-verbs/

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 02:07
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  mill: (although more context would be helpful to know whether that is really the emphasis)
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, I agree - but it seems we are not going to get this context.
agree  Andrew Swift: A little nudge for the robot... // How incredibly rude not even to leave an explanation. I started a thread on this sort of behaviour a couple of months ago: http://www.proz.com/forum/kudoz/203309-the_asker_has_decline...
84 days
  -> Thanks, Andrew, but see below: "The asker has declined this answer". Quite so.
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
ostensively declare


Explanation:
Maybe even "proclaim". Yes, the bombast should be brought into the translation; this may not be enough?

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Note added at 86 days (2011-09-24 18:50:48 GMT)
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Maybe also consider "assert"?

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Note added at 86 days (2011-09-24 18:51:30 GMT)
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Or consider "assert"?

Horst Huber
Local time: 21:07
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jaime Hyland: especially the comment :o)
53 mins
  -> Thank you!
disagree  Helen Shiner: The critical/performative theory term is 'declarative'. It would be wrong to reject the appropriate terminology.//These terms do not just appear in Austin's work, though, do they?
1 hr
  -> Thank you. Not sure Austin would care for this one bit.
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