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19:25 Mar 1, 2011
German to English translations [PRO] Social Sciences - History / Prussian Kings
German term or phrase:Tabakskollegium
... veranstalteten das legendäre Tabakskollegium ...
Habe leider nicht mehr Kontext. Auf preussen.de gibt es (ganz unabhängig vom Text) ein Bild dazu, welches Adelige beim gemeinsamen Rauchen in einem Salon zeigt.
Von der Begrifflichkeit des höfischen Zeremoniells habe ich so gar keine Ahnung. Hilfe wäre nett.
Explanation: "Kollegium" wurde zu preußischen Zeiten noch im Sinne von "Verein" verwendet . Auch die ersten Studentenverbindungen nannten sich ja "Kollegien"
Ich denke, "society' hat eine ähnliche Bedeutungsverschiebung erlebt.
"In 1712 he again commanded the Prussian field army and was promoted to GFM after having taken the fortress of Moers without firing a shot. He became a close companion of King Friedrich Wilhelm I and, although a non-smoker – a member of the Tabakcollegium (Tobacco Society), the king`s smoking club. In the Great Northern War, Prussia entered the lists against Sweden only in 1715; Leopold commanded 40,000 men, and on 16 November of that year, he defeated a smaller Swedish force, under King Charles XII of Sweden on the island of Rügen in the Baltic. "
Hi dkfmmuc. I have just noticed your stated preference for 'take place' as a translation of 'veranstalten'. So how do you see a legendary 'society' taking place? This is not the same as a 'social gathering'.
I do hope whatever the Asker chooses in the end will properly reflect the 18th-century context. I presume Horst that you don't like any of the options presented so far?
I am very sorry not to have much more context available. It is part of a description for tourism. A city and its castles are described which are well worth to see. And one part describes this place where the legendary.... took place. So it seems to be that this phrase should enhance the awareness of those reading the text.
it be of interest that the operative word is "veranstalten das legendäre T.", meaning, howerver regularly it took place, it was an event? I would translate "staged", or something similar. In school, it takes three to make a Kollegium; well, in this case, we have a tobacco conoisseurs' get-together.
What is the context here please? Is this smoking in a private, albeit stately, home or in a gentleman's club? The 18th century gentleman was big on clubs, at least in the UK, many of which had great and sometimes amusing names: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen's_club
If this is the context, I would definitely go with club, since it is so appropriate to the age; if, however, it is specific to a room in a house, it would be helpful if you could post the complete sentence. Many thanks.
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smokers' club
Explanation: Einfach mal geraten. Für mich als Raucher wünschte ich, dass es die noch in Bayern gäbe.
xxxManticore Local time: 03:08 Native speaker of: German, English
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Asker: Vielen Dank für die Info. Mal so am Rande: Diese ewigen Einschränkungen nerven mich auch immer. Jetzt kann man mancherorts unter 18 nicht mal mehr Billard spielen, wegen Alkoholausschank. Frage mich nur, wie wir damals das überstanden haben ohne alle die Verbote.
Explanation: "Kollegium" wurde zu preußischen Zeiten noch im Sinne von "Verein" verwendet . Auch die ersten Studentenverbindungen nannten sich ja "Kollegien"
Ich denke, "society' hat eine ähnliche Bedeutungsverschiebung erlebt.
"In 1712 he again commanded the Prussian field army and was promoted to GFM after having taken the fortress of Moers without firing a shot. He became a close companion of King Friedrich Wilhelm I and, although a non-smoker – a member of the Tabakcollegium (Tobacco Society), the king`s smoking club. In the Great Northern War, Prussia entered the lists against Sweden only in 1715; Leopold commanded 40,000 men, and on 16 November of that year, he defeated a smaller Swedish force, under King Charles XII of Sweden on the island of Rügen in the Baltic. "
The Club holds a remarkable collection of art works representing the history of the British theatre. There are over 1000 paintings, drawings and sculptures, a fascinating selection of theatrical memorabilia, and thousands of prints and photographs.[2]
The collection originated with the actor Charles Mathews, one of the original members of the Club who had a passion for collecting theatrical portraits; they were once displayed by him in a gallery at his home, Ivy Cottage, in Highgate, North London. Mathews managed to secure a large number of pictures from the collection of Thomas Harris, who had been manager of Theatre Royal, Covent Garden, and which included paintings by the likes of Johan Zoffany, Francis Hayman and Gainsborough Dupont. He also actively commissioned artists such as Samuel De Wilde to paint all the popular stars of the stage at that time (there are 196 works by De Wilde in the collection). Mathews had hoped to sell the collection to the Club and it appears that lengthy negotiations were entered into without any result. It was eventually purchased by a wealthy stock-broker and donated to the Club, having already hung on its walls for several years.
The collection continued to grow with many being presented by artist members, such as Clarkson Stanfield and David Roberts, who with fellow scene painter Louis Haghe painted a series of large canvasses especially for the Smoking Room at the old Clubhouse. Roberts’s Temple at Baalbec remains today one of the most important paintings by that artist. Sir John Everett Millais is represented by one of his most important portraits, that of Sir Henry Irving which he painted and presented to the Club in 1884.
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or Gentlemen's Smoking Club
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When the Crimean War during the 1850s popularized Turkish tobacco, smoking gained in fashionable popularity but was considered indelicate. After dinner in a large private house, the gentlemen might retreat from the ladies to a smoking room, furnished with velvet curtains and decorated to masculine tastes, and replace his tail coat with a comfortable velvet smoking jacket and cap. The velvet was intended to absorb the smoke, to avoid contaminating other rooms and clothes.
Helen Shiner United Kingdom Specializes in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 65
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Asker: Great background information, thanks for that ! The people in Great Britain are really adepts of the Royals. Hope you enjoy April 29th with the Royal wdding. Greetings dkfmmuc
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