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English translation: Wewelsburg Squad


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05:09 May 5, 2011
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History
German term or phrase: Burgmannschaft
Dies ist aus einem Text zu der Bedeutung der Wewelsburg für die SS. Was wäre denn in diesem Zusammenhang ein guter Begriff für die Burgmannschaft? Hier ein paar Beispiele:

Vor Ihnen befindet sich ein kleiner, runder Weinkeller. Ein angemessener Vorrat an Wein und Spirituosen gehörte zu den klischeehaften Vorstellungen Himmlers und Bartels’ von einer traditionsbewussten, standesgemäßen Residenz der SS-Gruppenführer. In der SS-Burgmannschaft war zeitweilig die Funktion eines „Kellermeisters“ samt Stellvertreter vorhanden.

Während sich die jugendlichen Insassen des Wehrertüchtigungslagers Wewelsburg an den Kampfhandlungen gegen die Alliierten bei Paderborn beteiligten, verließen die Angehörigen der SS-Burgmannschaft mit ihren Familien bereits Ende März fluchtartig das Dorf. Am 31. März ließ Himmler die Wewelsburg sprengen, damit die Alliierten sie nicht einnehmen konnten.

Sie befinden sich nun in der ehemaligen „SS-Kantine“, auch „Burgschänke“ genannt. Die SS-Burgmannschaft veranstaltete hier 1938 und 1939 ihre Karnevalsfeier. Die Rundbögen in der „Burgschänke“ sind wie das gesamte Wachgebäude der SS in den Jahren 1936/37 gebaut worden.
smeinke
Local time: 03:09
English translation:Wewelsburg Squad
Explanation:
I would have thought 'squad' fits better than 'team' here. It seems from the context to be referring solely to Wewelsburg, hence my answer; otherwise 'SS castle squad' would be more neutral.
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phoeberuth
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3 +1Wewelsburg Squad
phoeberuth
3Wewelsburg (castle) garrisonColin Rowe
3castle staff / guard
Hermann
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Info
Kim Metzger

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Wewelsburg Squad


Explanation:
I would have thought 'squad' fits better than 'team' here. It seems from the context to be referring solely to Wewelsburg, hence my answer; otherwise 'SS castle squad' would be more neutral.

phoeberuth
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agree  Thayenga: Yes, they were a squad and not a team, which sounds too "harmless" in this context.
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castle staff / guard


Explanation:
I think either would be fine and staff in particular as it also included "household duties"

The Staff of a Castle in the Twelfth Century

The second group of the castle staff comprised clerks of the works, porters, watchmen...


1st Battalion

The Argyll and Sutherland

Highlanders



Royal Guard Balmoral

1962

HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN'S GUARD BALLATER

(a) Household Duties.

Throughout its tour of duty the Guard was required to find nine men to augment the regular Castle staff and to work permanently in various departments of the household. This was a popular duty, particularly among those accommodated at Balmoral; the original selection from the many volunteers proved an excellent team under Corporal Hill and earned high praise from the Controller of the Household.


    Reference: http://www.jstor.org/pss/550733
    Reference: http://www.argylls1945to1971.co.uk/AandSH_Balmoral1962.htm
Hermann
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Wewelsburg (castle) garrison


Explanation:
One possibility, perhaps, that appears to have some precedence in English in the context of Wewelsburg.

Collins English Dictionary:
Garrison: The troops who maintain and guard a base or fortified place.

e.g.
"As far as the Wewelsburg garrison was concerned, Kessler and Sophia Lange were spending some of their energies bringing in a company of Waffen-SS troops ..."
http://www.sable.org.uk/Robert/07Rupert/Stories/SY154-06rptc...

"As always on the night of the Winter Solstice, the Knights had celebrated with the lower ranks of the Order, as well as members of the Wewelsburg garrison ..."
http://www.aurellis.org/sable/Robert/07Rupert/Stories/SY153-...

Colin Rowe
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Reference: Info

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Als Burgmann wurden im Mittelalter ritterbürtige Mitglieder des Adels bezeichnet, die von einem Burgherrn mit der sogenannten Burghut beauftragt waren, das heißt, die eine Burg zu bewachen und zu verteidigen hatten. In der Regel saßen mehrere Burgmannen auf einer Burg und bildeten die Burgmannschaft. Burgmannen wurden manchmal auch als Dienstmannen bezeichnet. Sie unterstanden dem Burgherrn oder einem von ihm beauftragten Burgkommandanten, der häufig auch den Titel Burggraf führte. Da für den Burgmann Lehnsrecht galt, wurden Rechtsstreitigkeiten vor eben diesem Burggrafen verhandelt. Bei ihrer Aufgabe wurde die adlige Burgmannschaft oft von nichtadligem Personal wie Torwarten und Türmern unterstützt.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgmann

A Burgmann (plural: burgmannen) was a member of the low aristocracy in the Middle Ages who guarded and defended castles[1]. They were hired by a lord of the castle to take on the burghut, the guarding and defense of a castle.
Although they were paid for their services, they had to provide their own armor. In the late Middle Ages, the system of burgmann disappeared and the castles were protected by landsknecht.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgmann

Kim Metzger
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Horst Huber: Adelung is very detailed on this; that he uses "castellani" as equivalent indicates that in its historical meaning it denotes something more respectable than its Nazi incarnation. Adelung says the system became defunct with the introduction of gunpowder.
14 hrs
  -> So literally, something with -ship. Hard to translate.
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