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Generation Praktikum

English translation: generation of eternal interns / génération précaire


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German term or phrase:Generation Praktikum
English translation:generation of eternal interns / génération précaire
Entered by: Craig Meulen
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14:41 Oct 15, 2006
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Human Resources
German term or phrase: Generation Praktikum
Any ideas how I can translate this in-phrase - coined only last year by a journalist from "Die Zeit" and now to be heard all over the place in Germany.

Context is a speech to an international audience about personnel management in the public service.

"Gehören diese [Menschen] nicht eher zu einer Generation Praktikum?"

Thanks for your help.
Craig Meulen
Germany
Local time: 22:53
(generation) of eternal interns
Explanation:
Nietzsche lässt grüssen ;-)

But it could be an option.

Thus, the potential span of an intern's career before getting licensed could be more than 10 years. It's what I call being the "eternal intern."
http://www.archinect.com/forum/threads_print.php?id=30953_0_...

Younger photographers are being shuttled from publication to publication without any appreciable increase in earning power. It is the time of the eternal intern.
http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue9912/editorial.htm

Otherwise, perhaps something with "vicious circle" (as suggested at top)

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Note added at 18 hrs (2006-10-16 08:48:27 GMT)
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... force loads of youngsters with University degrees into perpetual internship contracts for years (see these recent German articles on the topic Späte Rache nicht ausgeschlossen and Generation Praktikum).
http://seblogging.cognitivearchitects.com/discuss/msgReader$1537
(and no, the German reference was by chance, i.e. I didn't Google for it!)
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xxxFrancis Lee
Local time: 22:53
Grading comment
In the final version of the speech I didn't use the "eternal interns" wordplay, but I did re-phrase. I think "the intern generation" might catch on in English, but it doesn't seem to have become established yet.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2Generation internshipAutobusek
3(generation) of eternal internsxxxFrancis Lee
3 -1generation apprenticeship
Kim Metzger


Discussion entries: 7





  

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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
generation apprenticeship


Explanation:
The "Generation Praktikum" (describing the phenomenon that most people leaving university are starting their professional careers as interns - without long-term contracts but with low salaries) is all over the German papers (this week also on the cover of SPIEGEL's hard copy version). I also remember Thomas Knüwer's blog, which some days ago had a nice little story on how interns are being (ab-)used in PR agencies.
http://andreswittermann.blogs.com/my_weblog/2006/08/index.ht...

And things aren’t looking much
better for our university-educated
young professionals. In Germany,
there is a new buzzword making the
rounds: “Generation Praktikum,”
or in English “generation apprenticeship”.
And indeed, there is now an entire generation
of highly skilled, flexible, and mobile young people that
are forced to move from one (mostly unpaid) internship
to another, sometimes for years. Instead of welcoming
these young professionals with open arms, as most
well-functioning economies would do, our much-heralded
labour market, which prides itself on “inclusion” and
“protection”, is creating nothing but fear and insecurity
among the very people we need the most to sustain our
future prosperity.
www.lisboncouncil.net/force-download.php?file=/media/commen...


Kim Metzger
Mexico
Local time: 15:53
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 411

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  RobinB: Sorry, Kim, but an "internship" is a very different beast to an "apprenticeship" (Lehre), especially in Germany with its established apprenticeship system. Many "Praktika" for graduates in Germany are unpaid. There are also "pre-apprenticeship" Praktika.
7 mins
  -> I think we've got a US vs. British issue on our hands. http://www.theapprenticerules.com/

disagree  Steffen Walter: Why "apprenticeship" (Lehrstelle/Ausbildungsplatz)? A Praktikum is a (paid or unpaid, depending on the situation) internship (AmE) or work placement (BrE) but not a Lehrstelle/Ausbildungsplatz.
8 mins
  -> http://www.theapprenticerules.com/

agree  yyyzzz: It’s been said before here: unless the translation is specifically for an American readership, any use of ‘intern(ship)’ is going to cause confusion because of associations with locking up enemy aliens. ‘Apprenticeship’ fits the journalistic style fine.
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Generation internship


Explanation:
Generation internship.

Apprenticeship= Ausbildung (Dualsystem)

Autobusek
Local time: 22:53
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  RobinB: or "Generation Intern" or even the "Intern Generation".
3 mins

agree  Steffen Walter: "The Intern(ship) Generation" (for the purpose of a headline).
4 mins

agree  SwissTell
4 mins

neutral  yyyzzz: Might work in the US, I suppose. But even there you wouldn’t try to sell a soft drink with a jingle that goes ‘Come alive. You’re in the Generation Pepsi’.
3 hrs

disagree  xxxFrancis Lee: if anything, surely "Intern(ship) Generation"
17 hrs
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17 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
(generation) of eternal interns


Explanation:
Nietzsche lässt grüssen ;-)

But it could be an option.

Thus, the potential span of an intern's career before getting licensed could be more than 10 years. It's what I call being the "eternal intern."
http://www.archinect.com/forum/threads_print.php?id=30953_0_...

Younger photographers are being shuttled from publication to publication without any appreciable increase in earning power. It is the time of the eternal intern.
http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue9912/editorial.htm

Otherwise, perhaps something with "vicious circle" (as suggested at top)

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 18 hrs (2006-10-16 08:48:27 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

... force loads of youngsters with University degrees into perpetual internship contracts for years (see these recent German articles on the topic Späte Rache nicht ausgeschlossen and Generation Praktikum).
http://seblogging.cognitivearchitects.com/discuss/msgReader$1537
(and no, the German reference was by chance, i.e. I didn't Google for it!)

xxxFrancis Lee
Local time: 22:53
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 24
Grading comment
In the final version of the speech I didn't use the "eternal interns" wordplay, but I did re-phrase. I think "the intern generation" might catch on in English, but it doesn't seem to have become established yet.
Notes to answerer
Asker: :-) Great minds think alike - I had also thought of the "eternal intern" - but didn't think to google for it and see if others use it too ....

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