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English translation: (based) on its merits

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German term or phrase:	dem Grunde nach
English translation:	(based) on its merits
Entered by:	Deborah Shannon

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20:46 Jun 15, 2003

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German term or phrase: dem Grunde und der Höhe nach

This phrase is troubling me because it seems to come up frequently in the context of pensions and other insurance, and looks pretty simple but I feel uneasy about the precise meaning:

"Die Pensionskasse dient dazu, in bestimmten Fällen (Invalidität, Alter, Tod) wegfallendes Erwerbseinkommen *dem Grunde und der Höhe nach* zu ersetzen"

Could it be as simple as "according to the reason and the amount" or is there more to it? (I hope so because I can't seem to make sense of it). Thanks for any comments.

Deborah Shannon KudoZ activity Questions: 60 (none open) (1 without valid answers) Answers: 588 United Kingdom
Local time: 10:33

(based) on the merits (of the individual case) and in terms of amount

Explanation:
From a more legalese angle, "dem Grunde nach" is often translated as "on the merits". In your case this would mean that it has to be assessed whether the person to be compensated for loss of income is entitled, under the provisions of the pension scheme, to receive such compensation.

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Steffen Walter
Germany
Local time: 10:33

Grading comment

Thanks for all answers. Steffen's phrasing fits best with the style of this text, and the suggestion of "in terms of" has also helped me to crack the same phrase in another context - thank you!
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(based) on the merits (of the individual case) and in terms of amount

Steffen Walter

according to reason and amount

writeaway

in justification and extent

AmiHH

Discussion entries: 1

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21 mins confidence:

in justification and extent

Explanation:
See if you can work that in. I often see this in liability clauses.

AmiHH
Germany
Local time: 10:33
Native speaker of:

English

58 mins confidence:

according to reason and amount

Explanation:
I'd stick with that.

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or according to reason and entitled amount

writeaway
Local time: 10:33
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 19

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(based) on the merits (of the individual case) and in terms of amount

Steffen Walter
Germany
Local time: 10:33
Works in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 196

Grading comment

Thanks for all answers. Steffen's phrasing fits best with the style of this text, and the suggestion of "in terms of" has also helped me to crack the same phrase in another context - thank you!

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Jun 19, 2007 - Changes made by Steffen Walter:
Field (write-in)	insurance => (none)

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