seitens des erkennenden Gerichts

English translation: venue and subject matter jurisdiction

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German term or phrase:	örtliche und sachliche Zuständigkeit
English translation:	venue and subject matter jurisdiction
Entered by:	Ralf Lemster

16:21 Jan 12, 2003

German to English translations [PRO]
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German term or phrase: seitens des erkennenden Gerichts

I have here a dandy of a phrase on which some help would be appreciated:
Schliesslich wird vorab angeregt, seitens des erkennenden Gerichts über die OERTLICHE UND SACHLICHE ZUSTAENDIGKEIT zu befinden.
The part in CAPS is what I need above all.

swisstell KudoZ activity Questions: 862 (none open) (2 without valid answers) (24 closed without grading) Answers: 19768 Italy
Local time: 02:44

venue and jurisdiction over the subject

Explanation:
that's my suggestion.
Perhaps it helps a bit further.

Selected response from:

GAK (X)
Local time: 02:44

Grading comment

I agree with EZBless that it is "of" rather than "over" but in fact I think that more correct is how I entered it into the glossary, see below. Otherwise I like it, more so as I was myself looking at "venue". Sorry for the delay.
3 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

5 +1

whether the ruling court had territorial and subject matter jurisdiction

Maureen Holm, J.D., LL.M.

4 +1

venue and jurisdiction over the subject

GAK (X)

territorial and subject matter jurisdiction

Per Incuriam

5 -1

venue and jurisdiction of the subject

Ellen Zittinger

3 +1

Moderator's note (changed glossary entry)

Ralf Lemster

4 -1

I'd say

gangels (X)

4 -1

territorial jurisdiction and jurisdiction over the subject matter

William Stein

Answers

6 mins confidence:

territorial and subject matter jurisdiction

Explanation:
are standard terms

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Note added at 2003-01-12 16:40:38 (GMT)
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and \"the court seised of the matter\" for the other bit or if that\'s too legalistic \"the court hearing the matter\"

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My *guess* as to the meaning of the whole thing: it is the court where the proceedings are first brought which should decide the issue as to which court is the proper court to hear the case.

Maybe that would make sense in the context.

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Note added at 2003-01-12 16:47:11 (GMT)
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My *guess* as to the meaning of the whole thing: it is the court where the proceedings are first brought which should decide the issue as to which court is the proper court to hear the case.

Maybe that would make sense in the context.

Per Incuriam
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English

13 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

venue and jurisdiction over the subject

Explanation:
that's my suggestion.
Perhaps it helps a bit further.

WB K�bler Rechtsenglisch

GAK (X)
Local time: 02:44
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 3

Grading comment

48 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

I'd say

Explanation:
In closing, the adjudicating court is being petitioned to rule on any jurisdiction re venue and case history

gangels (X)
Local time: 18:44
Native speaker of:

English,

German
PRO pts in category: 249

50 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

venue and jurisdiction of the subject

Explanation:
you would not say "over" but "of"

Ellen Zittinger
Local time: 17:44
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

German
PRO pts in category: 11

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

territorial jurisdiction and jurisdiction over the subject matter

Explanation:
jurisdiction: an overview
One of the most fundamental questions of law is whether a given court has jurisdiction to preside over a given case. A jurisdictional question may be broken down into three components: 1) jurisdiction over the person (in personam), 2) ***jurisdiction over the subject matter, or res***, and 3) jurisdiction to render the particular judgment sought. The term jurisdiction is really synonymous with the word "power". Any court possesses jurisdiction over matters only to the extent granted to it by the Constitution, or legislation of the sovereignty on behalf of which it functions. The question of whether a given court has the power to determine a jurisdictional question is included in this subject header. Such a legal question is referred to as "jurisdiction to determine jurisdiction."
Subject matter jurisdiction is the court's authority to decide the issue in controversy such as a contracts issue, or a civil rights issue. State courts have general jurisdiction, meaning that they can hear any controversy except those prohibited by state law (some states, for example, deny subject matter jurisdiction for a case that does not involve state citizens and did not take place in the state) and those allocated to federal courts of exclusive jurisdiction such as bankruptcy issues (see 28 U.S.C.A. § 1334). Federal courts have limited jurisdiction in that they can only hear cases that fall both within the scope defined by the Constitution in Article III Section 2 and Congressional statutes (See 28 U.S.C.A. §1251, §1253, §1331, §1332).
***Territorial jurisdiction*** is the court's power to bind the parties to the action. This law determines the scope of federal and state court power. State court territorial jurisdiction is determined by the Due Process Clause of the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment and the federal court territorial jurisdiction is determined by the Due Process Clause of the Constitution's Fifth Amendment.

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http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/jurisdiction.html

William Stein
Costa Rica
Local time: 18:44
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 29

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

whether the ruling court had territorial and subject matter jurisdiction

Explanation:
Finally [bzw. After all], the court to which application for recognition is made is first asked to determine whether the ruling court had [implied: properly exercised] territorial and subject matter jurisdiction.
Note: Courts reviewing foreign judgments for purposes of recognition do not concern themselves with local procedural rules regarding venue and forum-shopping. [MH: J.D., LL.M.]

Maureen Holm, J.D., LL.M.
United States
Local time: 20:44
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 23

14 days confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Moderator's note (changed glossary entry)

Explanation:
Please note that I changed the glossary entry, following extensive discussions with various ProZ members (including a qualified lawyer).

What we need to distinguish here are two different legal concepts: legal venue ("örtliche Zuständigkeit"), which determines which court (within the same jurisdiction) is competent, as opposed to territorial jurisdiction, which refers to cross-jurisdictional issues.

I quote an explanation received in German (if anyone has a problem understanding it, please contact me directly):
"Der Vorschlag 'territorial...jurisdiction' verkennt das dem Begriff "örtliche Zuständigkeit" (=Gerichtsstand) zugrunde liegende Konzept, nämlich welches sachlich zuständige Gericht wg. seines Sitzes den Rechtsstreit zu erledigen hat. Dieses Konzept wird im Englischen (AE + BE) gemeinhin 'legal venue' genannt. 'Territorial jurisdiction' bezeichnet dagegen Territorialhoheit, Gebietshoheit sowie örtliche Zuständigkeit auf diplomatischer Ebene, hat also eine eher völkerrechtliche als gerichtsorganisatorische Bedeutung. In den USA bezieht sich 'territorial jurisdiction' insbesondere auf das Verhältnis zwischen einzelstaatlicher und bundesstaatlicher Gerichtsbarkeit (dies wurde auch erwähnt, entspricht jedoch nicht der deutschen örtlichen Zuständigkeit).

Der Peer-Grading-Vorschlag von Mag. RaWa, 'venue and subject matter jurisdiction' trifft's meiner Ansicht nach am besten - abweichende Vorschläge deuten auf eine Fehlinterpretation des zugrunde liegenden Zusammenhangs hin: hier wird 'erkennendes Gericht' als 'anerkennendes Gericht' in einem (amerikanischen!) Verfahren zur Anerkennung ausländischen Gerichtsurteile interpretiert; 'erkennendes' Gericht ist jedoch lediglich das mit der Sache befasste deutsche Gericht."

Ralf Lemster
Germany
Local time: 02:44
Works in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 39

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