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German term or phrase:	Umgangston
English translation:	common usage
Entered by:	Jonathan Fedler

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10:33 Oct 22, 2009

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Social Sciences - Linguistics / Sociology

German term or phrase: Umgangton

From a dissertation on the Thueringer dialect and its contemporary social significance:
Alle fünf Probanden führten neben „no“ auch „ge“ bzw. im Falle des Informanten .... die Langform „gelle“ an, wovon sie bei mir wiederum das Wissen um die Bedeutung voraussetzten. Während letztgenannter Proband lediglich aussagte, dass diese Wörter oft verwendet werden würden, verstärkte Informant M.W. deren Bedeutung für den Erfurter Dialekt, in dem er aussagte, sie würden zum *Umgangton* gehören. Auch für Probandin ...erschienen diese beiden Wörtchen sehr signifikant für den Erfurter Dialekt.

Jonathan Fedler KudoZ activity Questions: 1256 (1 open) (7 without valid answers) (47 closed without grading) Answers: 467 Israel
Local time: 15:31

common usage

Explanation:
or commonly used

Selected response from:

Melanie Wittwer
New Zealand
Local time: 02:31

Grading comment

Thanks to Melanie and all other participants
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +5

colloquial usage

Jim Tucker

3 +4

common usage

Melanie Wittwer

appropriate or acceptable usage

British Diana

3 +1

conversational usage

Lesley Robertson

Summary of reference entries provided

"Umgangston"

British Diana

Discussion entries: 1

Answers

5 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

common usage

Explanation:
or commonly used

Melanie Wittwer
New Zealand
Local time: 02:31
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Thanks to Melanie and all other participants

16 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

conversational usage

Explanation:
is equally possible I think

Lesley Robertson
Austria
Local time: 14:31
Native speaker of:

English

35 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +5

colloquial usage

Explanation:
is the term

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Note added at 22 hrs (2009-10-23 09:14:26 GMT)
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"a feature of colloquial speech"

Jim Tucker
United States
Local time: 08:31
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English

16 hrs confidence:

appropriate or acceptable usage

Explanation:
Please see my reference.As I see it the "Informant M. W. " may be stressing that in his opinion the use of these words is socially acceptible in Erfurt, that there is nothing inappropriate (e.g. "uneducated" ) about them.
If this is somewthing said in a linguistics dissertation there could be a lot of difference between "Umgangston" and "Umgangssprache" ! (Sorry, Kerstin, I don't quite see eye-to-eye with you here)

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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2009-10-23 17:23:26 GMT) Post-grading
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Pity that Jutta didn't give me an "agree" - I think she was thinking along the same lines as I was. To quote Jutta: "It might also be that the person really meant to say "Es gehört zum guten Ton" - i.e., it's perfectly normal/appropriate to speak that way. "

British Diana
Germany
Local time: 14:31
Native speaker of:

English

Reference comments

16 hrs

Reference: "Umgangston"

Reference information:
"Umgangston" has a connotation of approval or disapproval (appropriateness or otherwise of the utterance or how it is made)in normal usage, possibly not in this instance. Just google "nicht diesen Umgangston" and you will find many examples. Here is just one:

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Note added at 17 hrs (2009-10-23 04:00:47 GMT)
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On second thoughts, I now think that the connotation IS indeed implied by the speaker we hear about in this instance,

Reference: http://www.forum-hilfe.de/archive/index.php/t-2482.html

British Diana
Germany
Native speaker of:

English

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