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German: die reine Lehre

English translation: pure doctrine, in the abstract, true teachings/traditions, conventional wisdom, fundamentals of



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German term or phrase:die reine Lehre
English translation:pure doctrine, in the abstract, true teachings/traditions, conventional wisdom, fundamentals of
Entered by:Jonathan MacKerron
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German term or phrase: die reine Lehre
I have no specific context here, simply a discussion with a fellow translator about what this might translate as in specific cases.
In general, I take it to mean theory versus practice, but depending on the context also things like "conventional wisdom". I've not found it in any bilingual dictionary, so would appreciate any specific entries/examples you all might be able to offer in this regard.
Thanks
Jonathan MacKerron
Germany
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Jonathan MacKerron (asker): 1:14pm Feb 21, 2004: note - "the basic tenets of..."?

the pure doctrine
Explanation:
without any context at all

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Note added at 2004-02-21 15:48:44 (GMT)
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Often used in a religious sense in English. Maybe the German tends to be more widely used, more sarcastically perhaps (in the sense of the gospel truth). Can you give us any indication of what you are getting at?
Theory versus practice would certainly be a possibility in some contexts.

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Note added at 2004-02-21 15:49:41 (GMT)
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Often used in a religious sense in English. Maybe the German tends to be more widely used, more sarcastically perhaps (in the sense of the gospel truth). Can you give us any indication of what you are getting at?
Theory versus practice would certainly be a possibility in some contexts.
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Anne Gillard-Groddeck
Germany
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Thanks to all contributors, I've entered several solutions into the glossary.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2the pure doctrineAnne Gillard-Groddeck
4true teachings/traditionMario Marcolin
4in the abstract
gangels
4the clean gaugeelisp
3siehe unten
Mag. Sabine Senn


  


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the pure doctrine

Explanation:
without any context at all

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Note added at 2004-02-21 15:48:44 (GMT)
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Often used in a religious sense in English. Maybe the German tends to be more widely used, more sarcastically perhaps (in the sense of the gospel truth). Can you give us any indication of what you are getting at?
Theory versus practice would certainly be a possibility in some contexts.

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Note added at 2004-02-21 15:49:41 (GMT)
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Often used in a religious sense in English. Maybe the German tends to be more widely used, more sarcastically perhaps (in the sense of the gospel truth). Can you give us any indication of what you are getting at?
Theory versus practice would certainly be a possibility in some contexts.

Anne Gillard-Groddeck
Germany
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
Note from asker to answerer
Thanks to all contributors, I've entered several solutions into the glossary.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree xxxdesiderata: What the experts promulgate from ivory towers. See also www.dimagb.de/info/bauphys/umwelt/egbeck1.html#pyromanie and www.die-neue-ordnung.de/Nr51999/RH.html.
10 hrs

agree EllenEZBless
15 hrs
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siehe unten

Explanation:

im Bereich Universität bezieht sich *reine Lehre* darauf, dass nur Wissen vermittelt wird und nicht geforscht wird.
Es gibt auch den Ausdruck *reine Forschung* - ein Angestellter, der sich nur auf die Forschung konzentriert und kein Wissen vermittelt

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Note added at 2004-02-21 13:54:35 (GMT)
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« zurück zur Rubrik Wissen


hochschule


Wo bleibt die Lehre?

In der Elite-Debatte darf es nicht nur um Forschung gehen /Von Christian Bode

Von Von Christian Bode


Die Vorschläge zu deutschen ?Eliteuniversitäten? leiden fast alle an derselben Schieflage: Es geht nur um die (Spitzen-)Forschung, nicht um die Qualität der Lehre. Und es zählt nur der wissenschaftliche Nachwuchs und nicht das Gros der Absolventen. Dieser akademische ?Tunnelblick? entspricht den Wertvorstellungen der Zunft ebenso wie ihren Berufungskriterien und Gehaltstabellen: Reine Forschung ist Spitze (Max-Planck-Institute), reine Lehre ist allenfalls Breite (Fachhochschulen). ?Spitzenlehre? existiert nicht einmal als Begriff im Vokabular der Hochschulpolitik.


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www.wissenschaft-online.de/artikel/708669

Mag. Sabine Senn
Austria
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the clean gauge

Explanation:
another possibility, if context is unknown

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Note added at 3 hrs 35 mins (2004-02-21 16:40:19 GMT)
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If I see this expression without any context, Anne Gillard-Groddeck\'s suggestion would be my first association: *pure doctrine*, puristic interpretation of the doctrine, orthodoxy, but certainly NOT *conventional wisdom*.

But if it is an example for a linguistic discussion, you\'d better consider ALL possible contexts :-))

elisp
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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in the abstract

Explanation:
or everything being equal

but your 'conventional wisdom' may be best /

the fundamentals of...

gangels
United States
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
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1 day36 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
true teachings/tradition

Explanation:
"die reine Lehre""true teachings" is of course common in religions contexts, but note the nonreliguous:

"Dr. Feelgood trägt die reine Lehre des britischen Pubrock in die weite Welt29."
http://morgenpost.berlin1.de/inhalt/musik/story656112.html

Mario Marcolin
Sweden
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Native speaker of: Native in SwedishSwedish, Native in EnglishEnglish
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