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vor jemandem bestehen / in jemandens Augen bestehen

English translation: to pass muster


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German term or phrase:vor jemandem bestehen / in jemandens Augen bestehen
English translation:to pass muster
Entered by: Jutta Scherer
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Bus/Financial - Management
German term or phrase: vor jemandem bestehen / in jemandens Augen bestehen
Zitat:
Die Notwendigkeit des Umdenkens resultiert [...] aus einem gründlich missverstandenen Liberalismus [...] , der so *vor keinem der großen liberalen Denker hätte bestehen können*.

(Stammt aus einem Buch über Corporate Governance.)
Jutta Scherer
Germany
Local time: 12:55
to pass muster
Explanation:
To wit, "pass muster" is a term borrowed from military usage. It relates to coming through a rigorous inspection unscathed.
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SinnerAtta
Canada
Local time: 03:55
Grading comment
Thanks, everybody!
I chose this suggestion for points because it conveys the meaning and fits the tone (and I learnt a new expression :-))
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +4..would not have measured up to ... (the great liberal philosphers/ thinkers of the day)
Ingeborg Gowans
3 +2to pass muster
SinnerAtta
3 +1couldn't have stood upM00nshine
2 +2to survive someone's scrutinyLena Nusselt
4could not compare with any/ withstand comparison with any
mgdletters
3which would have been dismissed out of hand...
gangels
3withstand something/someone
Monika Borgers
3to hold its own against / in the eyes of (someone)Audrey Foster
3which would have been scorned upon
Goldcoaster


Discussion entries: 1





  

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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +2
to survive someone's scrutiny


Explanation:
"...would not have survived the scrutiny of any of the great..."

Vielleicht ist hier ein etwas zu starker Fokus auf die "Prüfung" durch die Denker, aber das "bestehen" hat ja einen ähnlichen Beigeschmack...

Lena Nusselt
Germany
Local time: 12:55
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Anne-Marie Grant: I was going to suggest 'to withstand scrutiny from'
4 hrs
  -> Thank you, yes, that is better!

agree  Andrew Swift: ...with AMG's amended version.
7 hrs
  -> ...me too! Thank you.
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13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
..would not have measured up to ... (the great liberal philosphers/ thinkers of the day)


Explanation:
I think it needs to be expressed that there is a certain standard which was set by liberal thinkers of the past

Ingeborg Gowans
Canada
Local time: 07:55
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
Notes to answerer
Asker: Dear Ingeborg and everybody, "measure up to" would be a superb translation for "NEBEN keinem der großen Denker ... bestehen können". I think what the author wants to express here is that any of the great thinkers would have torn those new concepts to shreds, had he come across them.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Williams: ...would not have measured up to the standards of ...
6 mins
  -> thanks, David

agree  Inge Meinzer
7 mins
  -> danke, Inge

agree  Lena Nusselt
8 mins
  -> thanks, Lena

neutral  Teresa Reinhardt: agree with Asker
15 mins
  -> I guess there is a fine nuance here; so probably it is more in the direction of "able to withstand the scrutiniy; thanks for pointing that out

neutral  Stuart Dykes: Also agree with Asker
32 mins
  -> I see my "errant ways" now, it is indeed a fine distinction

agree  Nicole Backhaus
23 hrs
  -> well, thanks, Nicole; I suppose I was a bit off themark, see Teresa's and the asker's comment; but thanks anyway :)
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18 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
to pass muster


Explanation:
To wit, "pass muster" is a term borrowed from military usage. It relates to coming through a rigorous inspection unscathed.

Example sentence(s):
  • "... which/that would not have passed muster by some of the great liberal thinkers..."
SinnerAtta
Canada
Local time: 03:55
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks, everybody!
I chose this suggestion for points because it conveys the meaning and fits the tone (and I learnt a new expression :-))

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Williams: Would work too
6 mins

neutral  Teresa Reinhardt: This avoids the problem Ingeborg ran into, but it's maybe a bit too informal (despite its military history - cf. its devolution into 'cut the mustard')- depending on style
14 mins

agree  Stuart Dykes: Yes, but surely "passed muster with" rather than "by"?
27 mins
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18 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
could not compare with any/ withstand comparison with any


Explanation:
just another option for you to consider

mgdletters
Spain
Local time: 12:55
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Teresa Reinhardt: same problem as Ingeborg's answer
11 mins
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
to hold its own against / in the eyes of (someone)


Explanation:
Does that help ?

Audrey Foster
United States
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
which would have been scorned upon


Explanation:
which would have been totally negated by the great liberal philosophers and schools of thought

Goldcoaster
Switzerland
Local time: 12:55
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
couldn't have stood up


Explanation:
Just an idea.

Example sentence(s):
  • couldn\\\'t have stood up in the face of any of the great liberal thinkers

    Reference: http://moms4sarahpalin.blogspot.com/2008/10/true-face-of-lib...
M00nshine
Local time: 12:55
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  sivara
13 hrs
  -> thanks, sivara
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
which would have been dismissed out of hand...


Explanation:
...by any of the great liberal thinkers....

gangels
United States
Local time: 04:55
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 39
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21 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
withstand something/someone


Explanation:
wouldn't have withstood any of the great liberal thinkers...

You can also add whatever else you like

withstand the rigor of
withstand the scrutiny of
withstand the test of...

Monika Borgers
Spain
Local time: 12:55
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 4
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