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Die Wende kam mit der Wende; ...veränderten sich die Vorzeichen

English translation: The turning point came with the Wende


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German term or phrase:Die Wende kam mit der Wende; ...veränderten sich die Vorzeichen
English translation:The turning point came with the Wende
Entered by: Julie Draper-Duruz
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14:28 Dec 25, 2004
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German term or phrase: Die Wende kam mit der Wende; ...veränderten sich die Vorzeichen
"Die Wende kam mit der Wende; Berlin wurde Hauptstadt und Regierungssitz. Bei vielen von staatlicher Finanzierung abhängigen Institutionen veränderten sich die Vorzeichen."

I hate using the same words twice within the same sentence if at all possible to avoid. Also, is there a better way to translate the use of "Vorzeichen" in this phrase. As usual, any pointers are greatly appreciated!

Happy holidays everyone! :)

"Die Wende kam mit der Wende; Berlin wurde Hauptstadt und Regierungssitz. Bei vielen von staatlicher Finanzierung abhängigen Institutionen veränderten sich die Vorzeichen."

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The turning point came with the turning point. Berlin became the capital and the seat of the government. The signs (prognoses?) changed in the case of many institutions dependent on government financing.
Julie Draper-Duruz
Local time: 07:25
The turning point came with the Wende
Explanation:
Literally, a 'turning point' - when applied to German history, this refers to the years 1989-90, as the Wall fell, the borders between East and West were opened, and Germany was reunified.

From: http://www.nthuleen.com/teach/vocab/geschichtewiederantw.htm...

"Wende" is used in English and doesn't have to be translated.

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Note added at 7 mins (2004-12-25 14:35:53 GMT)
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I\'d stick to \"prognoses\".
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Annika Neudecker
Local time: 07:25
Grading comment
Both of your answers were very helpful. Thanks a million for the suggestions!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +5The turning point came with the Wende
Annika Neudecker
4...the wind began blowing in a new direction
Robert Schlarb


  

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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
Die Wende kam mit der Wende; ...veränderten sich die Vorzeichen
The turning point came with the Wende


Explanation:
Literally, a 'turning point' - when applied to German history, this refers to the years 1989-90, as the Wall fell, the borders between East and West were opened, and Germany was reunified.

From: http://www.nthuleen.com/teach/vocab/geschichtewiederantw.htm...

"Wende" is used in English and doesn't have to be translated.

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Note added at 7 mins (2004-12-25 14:35:53 GMT)
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I\'d stick to \"prognoses\".

Annika Neudecker
Local time: 07:25
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Both of your answers were very helpful. Thanks a million for the suggestions!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nesrin: I'd put "Wende" between quotation marks, and - if possible - add a footnote explaining that "Wende" is the German word for turning point, and that it's used to describe the peaceful revolution that took place there.
7 mins
  -> Thanks :-) Yes, quotation marks should be used.
agree  Kim Metzger: Agree with Nesrin about the quotation marks. The footnote may not be necessary if the term is explained elsewhere in the text.
11 mins
  -> Thanks :-) Yes, quotation marks or italics.
agree  EdithK
23 mins
  -> Thanks :-)
agree  Barbara Kremer
41 mins
  -> Thanks :-)
agree  njbeckett: but isn't seat of government better than seat of the government?
1 hr
  -> Thanks :-) I also think it should be "seat of government".
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Die Wende kam mit der Wende; ...veränderten sich die Vorzeichen
...the wind began blowing in a new direction


Explanation:
...for many institutions dependent...
How about: The turning point came with the "turning point" -- the so-called Wende; Berlin became the capital...

Don't forget to put Wende in italics.

"Vorzeichen verändern" means changing from + to - or the converse, but the image does not work in English.

Robert Schlarb
Local time: 07:25
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 16
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