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20:22 Nov 2, 2011
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German to English translations [PRO]
Mathematics & Statistics / arithmetic operations
German term or phrase: zusammenzählen, abziehen, malnehmen, teilen
I am translating a novel and would like to get a feel for how colloquial (or archaic?) these terms are.

the narrator went to school in the 1970s and has uses applied mathematics a lot in his job, so arithmetic and calculations are a part of his daily life, but I confess I've never seen these terms used before.

I'd be very interested to hear English native opinions as to whether we have any colloquial alternatives to "addition, subtraction, multiplication, division" - for the life of me I can't think of any, perhaps "plus and minus, times and by"?
S P Willcocks
Local time: 01:58


Summary of answers provided
3 +2adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing
Armorel Young
3add, subtract, multiply, divide
Jenny Streitparth
3summing, X, X, A over BJoshua Pepper
Summary of reference entries provided
Nicht besonders umgangssprachlich.
efreitag

Discussion entries: 10





  

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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
summing, X, X, A over B


Explanation:
Hi, this is quite an interesting question.
I'm going to do some research and post my findings here.

In the mean time, let me suggest two alternatives that I could think of:
Addition: summing
Divison: over, as in "a over b" (I might have to investigate this last one, I suspect that the habit of using fractions for division is relatively modern)

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Note added at 16 mins (2011-11-02 20:39:44 GMT)
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Let me post a first link:
http://www.sssoftware.com/docs/wnadoc/language.html

The suggestions for subtraction and division are particularly interesting:
Subtraction:
4 minus 3 equals...
7 less 2 equals...
8 take away 6 equals...
9 decreased by 1
Reduce 4 by...
Subtract 7 from 9
Deduct 2 from 3
Remove 2 from 5

The "7 less 2" seems to me to slightly archaic (I have nothing to back that up yet, though), in case you are interested in reproducing the same style in your translation.

Division
9 divided by 3
divide 8 by 4
4 goes into 8

The "4 into 8" also seems interesting.

Note: I won't be able to give you any help as to how archaic the German terms are, but I'm sure that there are plenty of German natives who will be able to help out with that.

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Note added at 48 mins (2011-11-02 21:11:10 GMT)
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In a general sort of way, engaging in arithmetic could be called "doing sums".

Calling the operations: "adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing" is already one step less formal than "addition, subtraction, multiplication, division".

Note that though you learn your "times tables", I think "timesing" doesn't really work (though you differently hear/see it around).

Also, I understand where you're coming from with "by" for division, but I think that it is very ambiguous - think of the ants that go "four by four" (in groups of four, so a multiple of four --> multiplication), or a "four by five" matrix (with 20 elements in it). I'm currently looking for examples where it is used for division - there may be some, but at least from a modern perspective it is more natural to say "5 over 4", or "5 divided by 4".

Joshua Pepper
Local time: 23:58
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
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59 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing


Explanation:
are more colloquial than "addition, subtraction ..." etc.

But what we really need is to see the context in which these words are used - it's difficult to get the feel for what's needed without seeing a proper chunk of text.

Armorel Young
Local time: 23:58
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ramey Rieger: Yes, context would REALLY help! It's basic math. Be well, Armorel.
14 hrs

agree  efreitag
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
add, subtract, multiply, divide


Explanation:
... the old "add, subtract, multiply, divide" was a part of his daily life...


http://www.cpa-connecticut.com/blog/?p=1945

We need these basic skills as these are the things that have daily importance and application in our lives such as the add-subtract-multiply-divide knowledge we have learned since we started becoming aware of numbers.
http://www.teach-nology.com/subjects/math/teachers/

Jenny Streitparth
New Zealand
Local time: 10:58
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
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Reference comments


1 hr peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: Nicht besonders umgangssprachlich.

Reference information:
Nur mal eine Einschätzung von einem Muttersprachler:

"I am translating a novel and would like to get a feel for how colloquial (or archaic?) these terms are." - Sie sind nicht besonders umgangssprachlich oder archaisch (lediglich "zusammenzählen" fällt ein kleines bisschen aus dem Rahmen). Zumindest die anderen drei kann sind auch in modernen wissenschaftlichen Texten nichts ungewöhnliches, auch wenn das Register natürlich etwas weniger gehoben ist als bei "subtrahieren", "dividieren", "addieren" und "multiplizieren".

efreitag
Germany
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 28

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agree  katiadegennaro: Bin ganz deiner Meinung!
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