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ungedienter Landsturm

English translation: reservist with no prior service


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German term or phrase:ungedienter Landsturm
English translation:reservist with no prior service
Entered by: Helen Shiner
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10:13 Oct 13, 2010
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Art/Literary - Military / Defense / First World War
German term or phrase: ungedienter Landsturm
I would be grateful for the appropriate terminology, please.

Um nicht als "ungedienter Landsturm" eingezogen zu werden, meldete sich XX freiwillig im Frühjahr 1915 als Rekrut zur berittenen Feldartillerie.

Wikipedia explains this as follows, but I cannot find the English equivalent elsewhere, or at least, I don't know where to look: Ungedienter Landsturm war im Ersten Weltkrieg die Bezeichnung für Wehrpflichtige, die – je nach gesundheitlicher Einschränkung – entweder zunächst zurückgestellt wurden oder zum Wehrdienst, jedoch nicht in vorderster Frontlinie, einberufen wurden.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungedienter_Landsturm
Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:15
conscripted militia
Explanation:
Collins says:
Landsturm m conscripted militia in times of war » Home Guard (Brit)

M-W:
militia: a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency b : a body of citizens organized for military service
2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

HTH


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no worries -

by the way, again Collins:
ungedient adj (dated) (Mil) with no prior service
Ungediente Un|ge|dien|te (r) m decl as adj (dated) (Mil) person/man with no prior service

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Cilian O'Tuama
Local time: 04:15
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Thanks, Cilian
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Summary of answers provided
3in order to avoid being called up as an untrained foot soildier
British Diana
2conscripts with health risks
Annie and Rolf Reiser
2conscripted militia
Cilian O'Tuama
Summary of reference entries provided
Untrained Landsturm?
Alison MacG

Discussion entries: 4





  

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conscripted militia


Explanation:
Collins says:
Landsturm m conscripted militia in times of war » Home Guard (Brit)

M-W:
militia: a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency b : a body of citizens organized for military service
2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

HTH


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Note added at 49 mins (2010-10-13 11:03:30 GMT)
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no worries -

by the way, again Collins:
ungedient adj (dated) (Mil) with no prior service
Ungediente Un|ge|dien|te (r) m decl as adj (dated) (Mil) person/man with no prior service



Cilian O'Tuama
Local time: 04:15
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
Thanks, Cilian
Notes to answerer
Asker: Hi Cilian, thanks very much. I have closed this question having discovered that this means 'reservist', which explains the 'ungedient' bit which is what was troubling me.

Asker: I closed this just before receiving your answer, so apologies if it appeared that I was dismissing your suggestion!

Asker: Thanks, since I only have this sentence in a description of an artist's life, it is somewhat difficult (at least for me!) to understand the significance of his decision. My Langenscheidt has veteran reservist for Landsturm, btw, which cannot be right in these circumstances since he was a young man at the time. I presume he was trying to avoid front-line service, though I am not sure what the significance would have been for him 'with no prior service' - infantryman straight off to the carnage of front line with no experience, I suppose.

Asker: I have re-opened the question to hear what others say, although I have had to submit the translation. Might be useful for the glossary.


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neutral  Clive Phillips: I agree with "conscripted militia (whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as subject to call to military service) having no prior active service" but "limited to non-combatant service on medical grounds" should be added.
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  -> fine by me - no objection here
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conscripts with health risks


Explanation:
1: ungedienter Landsturm (draftees/conscripts with health risks)


2: provisionally exempted conscripts (see dict.cc)

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I'd prefer the German expression with an English translation in parentheses .


    Reference: http://www.dict.cc/?s=conscript
Annie and Rolf Reiser
Local time: 20:15
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you both very much for your suggestion. 'With health risks' limits it a bit, and I think it has more to do with age in this instance. A difficult one, I must admit I thought there would be a standard expression for this.

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in order to avoid being called up as an untrained foot soildier


Explanation:
I would use something that emphasised the artist's wish to become something other than a lowly foot soldier - he volunteers for "berittenee Feldartillerie". To me it sounds slightly snobbish - young men who can ride horses are at least countrymen and not from the proletariat and he would prefer to be with them.
I don't think it has anything to do with being nearer or farther away from the front.
BTW I'm just reading a book "Singled out" which tells us that there were almost 2 million fewer young men than young women alive in U.K. after WW1, thus forcing many, many women into spinsterhood. And a much larger proportion of middle-class men were killed bec. these were to a large extent idealistic officers and not "Fußvolk".

British Diana
Germany
Local time: 04:15
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 3
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks for your help, Diana. Actually this artist suffered a nervous breakdown due to his military service and I believe he wanted to be with animals, so I don't think it has anything to do with snobbishness, but very interesting to read what you say.

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Reference comments


3 hrs
Reference: Untrained Landsturm?

Reference information:
I hope the following references are helpful. The third link describes the various age requirements for active service/reserves, etc. and the possible advantages of volunteering early. Perhaps your artist's age was relevant?

Landsturm "Landsturm" (not translated).
Landsturmmann (gedienter). . .Trained Landsturm man.
Landsturmmann (ungedienter). Untrained Landsturm man.
http://www.archive.org/stream/vocabularygerma00britgoog/voca...

GERMANY CALLS MEN UP TO 45; Untrained Landsturm, Hitherto Rejected as Unfit, Preparing to Go to the Front.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F00B13F835...

Landsturm.
The Landsturm also had two bans. The first ban included all untrained folks that were not on active service from the ages of 17 through 39. I should point out here that those between the ages of 17 and 20 who have not yet entered service and have had no training are enrolled in the first ban of the Landsturm. The second ban included all former soldiers and untrained individuals between the ages of 39 and 45. Second Ban Landwehr soldiers joined the second band of the Landsturm at age 39. This was a really rough militia. There was no training requirement. A home guard at best.

Kriegsfreiwillige
During the war a large number of young men between the ages of 17 and 20 were allowed to volunteer for active service before their class was called up.

The start date of active service is worth considering. Even though it is not a proper term, I will refer to the standard service soldier as a draftee. Most guys got out of Volksschule at the age of 14. Required active service started at the age of 20. Between the ages of 17 and 20 you were not part of the Dienstplicht. You actually were assigned to the untrained Landsturm, (we will cover this more later). A student who passed the one year volunteer exam could delay entry until he was 20. Conversely, a one year volunteer could join at the age of 17.

One year volunteers
The payback was.
1. The OYV only had to do one year of active service before being transferred to the reserve. This was in place of the 2-3 year active requirement.
2. The OYV could start military training at age 17 at the earliest. The normal guy, who was more like a draftee started at age 20.
3. The OYV if he passed the prerequisite examinations could be entered as an officer aspirant or NCO in the reserves.
http://www.pickelhauben.net/articles/MilitaryService_08_02.h...

Alison MacG
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thanks so much for your contribution, Alison. Really useful to have this in the glossary with your links.

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