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English translation: bullet jacket fragments


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German term or phrase:Geschossfahne
English translation:bullet jacket fragments
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20:33 Jul 7, 2011
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Military / Defense / Weapons
German term or phrase: Geschossfahne
"In der Schusswunde befinden sich sowohl Geschoss als auch die Geschossfahnen."
Auszug aus einem medizinischen Bericht.

Vielen Dank für Eure Hilfe!!!
Tekkila1
Local time: 04:15
bullet jacket fragments
Explanation:
On impact, the tip of the jacket peels back from the centre in sections (petals or lips) which in this case have broken off and in the wound are separate from the bullet.
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Clive Phillips
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:15
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Clive, thank you for your suggestion; I believe it fit my text best . But also thanks to everybody else for their comments.
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2 +2bullet jacket fragments
Clive Phillips
3(mushroomed) jacketreorient
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Info
Kim Metzger
Comments on bullet deformation
KSL Berlin

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(mushroomed) jacket


Explanation:
Es handelt sich wohl um eine Art von Teilmantelgeschoss, bei dem sich der Mantel nach Eindringen in das Ziel deformiert, siehe http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teilmantelgeschoss.
Einen anderen Ausdruck als jacket (und eventuell mushroom)habe ich bisher nicht gefunden, aber ich denke, er macht zumindest verstaendlich, worum es geht. Siehe hierzu auch "expansion characteristics" bei http://www.midwayusa.com/content/legacy/bullet_composition.h...

Example sentence(s):
  • Der Mantel riß an den Sollbruchstellen und platze zu vier Fahnen auf.
  • Generally, ideal performance of a hollow point bullet occurs when the bullet expands in a uniform shape, to the full depth of the hollow (or slightly more), and does not fragment or, in the case of jacketed bullets, shed its jacket.

    Reference: http://lutz-moeller-jagd.de/Geschosse/Hirtenberger/Hirtenber...
    Reference: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hollow-point
reorient
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bullet jacket fragments


Explanation:
On impact, the tip of the jacket peels back from the centre in sections (petals or lips) which in this case have broken off and in the wound are separate from the bullet.

Clive Phillips
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:15
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 19
Grading comment
Clive, thank you for your suggestion; I believe it fit my text best . But also thanks to everybody else for their comments.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  KSL Berlin: Though I haven't noticed the term before, this is backed up by research in my hunting sources
4 hrs
  -> Thank you, Kevin. Wish I could train our Golden Retriever to retrieve, rather than disappear with prey!

agree  Kim Metzger: Petals seems to be the key word.
6 hrs
  -> Thank you, Kim.
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Reference: Info

Reference information:
Es handelt sich hierbei um ein Kegelstumpfgeschoss mit einer geschlossenen Hohlspitze. Die Hohlspitze ist mit einer Aluspitze versehen. Damit wird der Luftwiderstandswert des Geschosses deutlich verbessert ohne die Geschosseigenschaften zu beeinträchtigen. Das Geschoss ist mit Sollbruchstellen vorgespalten. Die gewählte Geschosskonstruktion erzielt beim Auftreffen auf den Wildkörper einen sehr hohen Staudruck. Dieser ist für die ausgezeichnete Augenblickswirkung des Geschosses im Wesentlichen verantwortlich. Da eine Geschossfahne am Restkörper verbleibt, überschlägt sich das Geschoss im Wildkörper und gibt so erhöhte Energie ab. Dies geschieht sehr richtungsstabil auch bei niedrigen Auftreffgeschwindigkeiten. Die Penetration ist, wie bei allen HDB - Konstruktionen, selbst bei Knochentreffern sehr hoch.
http://www.spezialgeschosse.ch/konstruktionen.html


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Note added at 19 hrs (2011-07-08 16:12:47 GMT)
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In early 1992 Winchester introduced the "Black Talon", a newly designed hollow-point handgun bullet which used a specially designed, reverse tapered jacket. The jacket was cut at the hollow to intentionally weaken it, and these cuts allowed the jacket to open into six petals upon impact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet

This "reverse taper" refers to the bullet's jacket being thicker at the tip than the toward the base, enhancing rigidity which allows the sharp petals to remain largely perpendicular to the wound path, unlike traditional designs where the expanding jacket petals would peel back almost completely behind the expanded lead mushroom.

The most obvious difference from the SXT is that the bonded design, meant to maintain structural integrity through difficult intermediate barriers like auto-glass, largely prevents the sharp petals from peeling away from the lead core and fully protruding into the wound track.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon

Das ist auch keine Fräswirkung, die gibt es nicht denn dafür müsste sich das Geschoss viel schneller drehen und nicht nur (Annahme) 1x auf ca. 25 cm.
Im HV-Verlauf abgebildet wird übrigens jeweils eine der vier Fahnen ("petals", wie sie von Barnes genannt werden).

http://www.wildundhund.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18233&sid=0b...

Kim Metzger
Mexico
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  hazmatgerman: Das ist die Fahne. I'm not sure about "prong" or "lug" being a proper EN term?
11 hrs
  -> See Clive's "petals"
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Reference: Comments on bullet deformation

Reference information:
Have a look at the referenced page. The "Fahnen" are the thin petals of the mushroomed bullet head, which may break off in the wound. In other words, if broken off and separate from the projectile these would be fragments.

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Note added at 4 days (2011-07-12 00:50:04 GMT)
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Comment from my former weapons instructor when I asked about the Geschossfahnen: "ja, mit den Geschossfahnen liegst Du richtig, das sind die nach hinten aufgebogenen und/bzw auch abgelösten Geschossmantelteile meist aus Tombak."


    Reference: http://www.wildundhund.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1430417&sid=...
KSL Berlin
Germany
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Kim Metzger: Yes, I found that too. Attached petals would cause the projectile to tumble, I think.
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