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German term or phrase:	Eigenschrift
English translation:	autograph
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3:48am Apr 24, 2002

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German term or phrase: Eigenschrift

Es geht um alte Musikhandschriften und ich nehme an, Eigenschriften sind 'original manuscripts'. Bin mir aber nicht ganz sicher.

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autographs

Explanation:
This is how I have always heard it, read it, said it.. SOmetimes "autograph manuscripts", the fuller form.

E.g. "His source was the Walsh edition: he seems to have had no knowledge of the autographs in the Fitzwilliam Museum", in my Händel Flute Sonatas volume.

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Note added at 2002-04-24 07:41:47 (GMT)
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\"Original manuscripts\" is not quite the same thing - e.g. Händel, when going blind, used to dictate. Then the original manuscript was written by his secretary, and is thus no \"Eigenschrift\". And when a composer writes an original manuscript and then copies it, they are both \"Eigenschriften\" (and thus important for studying the text), but only the first is the \"original manuscript\".

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By the way, I checked Kim´s source for \"autographic\". It is written by a Japanese. It is mostly quite well written, but occasionally quite wrong linguistically. Google gives a few hits (10) for \"autographic manuscript\", but they are all of non-native origin.

I read the article with great interest, though.

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Chris Rowson
Germany

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Original manuscript / Original script

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autographs

Chris Rowson

autographic copy

Kim Metzger

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Original manuscript / Original script

Explanation:
I agree with your findings after browsing around on-line and finding this term to be widely used.

Premier Focus
Canada
Works in field
Native speaker of:

German

21 mins confidence:

autographic copy

Explanation:
Wahrig defines Autograf (which is the same as Eigenschrift, see below) as *eigenhändig schriebenes Schriftstück einer bedeutenden Persönlichkeit.
The following website provided this information:

1) Angenommen, eine Komposition sei einzig und allein in der Eigenschrift (Autograph) authentisch überliefert - übrigens ein häufiger Fall für die Musik vor 1800 -, so genügt es keinesfalls, alle Zeichen des Autographs in einen Notenstich/Druck umzusetzen. Das hat eine ganze Fülle von Gründen. Zum Beispiel wird man auf zahlreiche individuelle Eigentümlichkeiten der Handschrift stoßen, die durch Generalisierung und Einpassen in das moderne Notenstich-Regelwerk normiert werden müssen.

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Note added at 2002-04-24 04:11:18 (GMT)
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autographic manuscript instead of copy

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Note added at 2002-04-24 04:22:30 (GMT)
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Also autographic score, fair copy.

Furthermore, the manuscript sources that can be considered to have stemmed from an early autographic score (which is lost) attest numerous textual variants in the early shape of the text. The fact that these observations coincide with equivalent information contained in the other contemporary works by Bach gives much credibility to the integrity of such information, which in turn, becomes valuable chronological evidence.

http://www.music.qub.ac.uk/~tomita/essay/wtc1.html

Reference: http://www.henle.de/deutsch/info/siegel.htm
Wahrig, Langenscheidt Muret-Sanders

Kim Metzger
Mexico
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English
PRO pts in category: 62

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

autographs

Explanation:
This is how I have always heard it, read it, said it.. SOmetimes "autograph manuscripts", the fuller form.

E.g. "His source was the Walsh edition: he seems to have had no knowledge of the autographs in the Fitzwilliam Museum", in my Händel Flute Sonatas volume.

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Note added at 2002-04-24 07:41:47 (GMT)
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\"Original manuscripts\" is not quite the same thing - e.g. Händel, when going blind, used to dictate. Then the original manuscript was written by his secretary, and is thus no \"Eigenschrift\". And when a composer writes an original manuscript and then copies it, they are both \"Eigenschriften\" (and thus important for studying the text), but only the first is the \"original manuscript\".

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Note added at 2002-04-24 11:36:57 (GMT)
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By the way, I checked Kim´s source for \"autographic\". It is written by a Japanese. It is mostly quite well written, but occasionally quite wrong linguistically. Google gives a few hits (10) for \"autographic manuscript\", but they are all of non-native origin.

I read the article with great interest, though.

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Chris Rowson
Germany
Specializes in field
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English
PRO pts in category: 26

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Thanks a lot!!

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German: Eigenschrift

English translation: autograph