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German: Ein einzelner Mensch kann hier etwas Vollständiges beherrschen

English translation: With this instrument, a single human being can master something that is in itself complete and perfect







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German term or phrase:Ein einzelner Mensch kann hier etwas Vollständiges beherrschen
English translation:With this instrument, a single human being can master something that is in itself complete and perfect
Entered by:Bernhard Sulzer
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Art/Literary - Music / Music history
German term or phrase: Ein einzelner Mensch kann hier etwas Vollständiges beherrschen
The same article about piano virtuosity in the 19th century, now referring to Ferruccio Busoni. Context:
"Was das Verhältnis zum Klavier angeht, ist Ferruccio Busoni ein unmittelbarer Nachfahre Liszts. Er schreibt 1910 in seinem kleinen Aufsatz „Man achte das Pianoforte“: „Ein einzelner Mensch kann hier etwas Vollständiges beherrschen; die Möglichkeit vom Leisesten und Lautesten in einem einzigen Register übertrifft alle Instrumente." I'm having problems finding an elegant way of expressing "etwas Vollständiges" (meaning the piano with all its expressive potential). TIA for all ideas!
Diana Loos
Germany
..here,one/an individual can achieve perfect mastery/control
Explanation:
another suggestion:

here, an/one individual can master/control something (absolutely) perfectly

...can master/achieve something that is in itself perfect/complete/whole

the instrument is so complex, it enables the player to achieve something on a perfect/complete level

maybe also ...that is whole/perfect

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Note added at 20 hrs (2007-05-12 16:47:43 GMT)
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or, instead of here: with this/playing this musical instrument, an/one individual can achieve perfect mastery/control


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Note added at 22 hrs (2007-05-12 18:44:26 GMT)
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or; ..one can achieve complete mastery/control (of it/something)
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Bernhard Sulzer
Austria
Note from asker to answerer
Thank you for all your input, Bernhard! I've chosen your second idea and translated it thus: "With this instrument a single human being can master something that is in itself complete and perfect." Thanks to everyone for their help!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +1One individual can command something holistic
Stephen Sadie
3 +1..here,one/an individual can achieve perfect mastery/control
Bernhard Sulzer
3 +1Here, one individual can achieve mastery of an entirety.
Andrew Swift
2it lets you be in tune with the infinite
Henry Schroeder
1A single human being is capable of dominating such a whole and perfect instrument as the fortepiano
Nadine Kahn


  

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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
One individual can command something holistic

Explanation:
Hi Diana...just my shot for starters

Stephen Sadie
Germany
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 14

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree mbrodie: but "complete", not "holistic" which wouldn't have been used in 1910
1 hr
  -> thanks mbrodie

neutral Andrew Swift: I am puzzled as to why Maureen should have ticked the 'agree' box before posting her comment. ‘Holistic’ is inappropriate in this musical context. The asker has already suggested her own suitable version: “(the piano) with all its expressive potential”.
2 hrs
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
it lets you be in tune with the infinite

Explanation:
To my non-native ears the German doesn't sound poetic.

Any direct translations are certainly going to sound clumsy in English.

I'm trying to pawn off "infinite" as a synonym for "complete" - it's a stretch via impossibility and everything.

The rest, I guess, is self-explanatory: "you" as a smooth equivalent for the clumsy "ein einzelner Mensch"; "tune" to weave the music theme into the phrase, etc...

Henry Schroeder
United States
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 36
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13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
A single human being is capable of dominating such a whole and perfect instrument as the fortepiano

Explanation:
You could use two adjectives for "Vollständiges". Perhaps also "expressively perfect" Something along those lines.

Nadine Kahn
Germany
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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14 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Here, one individual can achieve mastery of an entirety.

Explanation:


Andrew Swift
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 32

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Stephen Sadie: I like it!!//It just sounds right...btw we both studied in the same city..just saw on your beautifully phrased profile
8 mins
  -> Thanks, Stephen. Very kind of you, especially in view of my sceptical comment above! // Yes, but I believe you had the immense good fortune to look out onto that tastefully filled-in dock with its beautiful floral beds.
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18 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
..here,one/an individual can achieve perfect mastery/control

Explanation:
another suggestion:

here, an/one individual can master/control something (absolutely) perfectly

...can master/achieve something that is in itself perfect/complete/whole

the instrument is so complex, it enables the player to achieve something on a perfect/complete level

maybe also ...that is whole/perfect

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Note added at 20 hrs (2007-05-12 16:47:43 GMT)
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or, instead of here: with this/playing this musical instrument, an/one individual can achieve perfect mastery/control


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Note added at 22 hrs (2007-05-12 18:44:26 GMT)
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or; ..one can achieve complete mastery/control (of it/something)

Bernhard Sulzer
Austria
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 22
Note from asker to answerer
Thank you for all your input, Bernhard! I've chosen your second idea and translated it thus: "With this instrument a single human being can master something that is in itself complete and perfect." Thanks to everyone for their help!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Andrew Swift: Another successful carpet-bombing run, Bernhard. People seem to appreciate your thoughtful, considered approach. Sincere congrats from this side of the Atlantic!
8 hrs
  -> and a sincere thank you back for your nice comments! They mean so much more than any "simple" agree.
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