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English translation: postgraduate course in piano performance


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German term or phrase:künstlerisches Aufbaustudium
English translation:postgraduate course in piano performance
Entered by: tanja293
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11:13 Nov 21, 2010
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German term or phrase: künstlerisches Aufbaustudium
Die Pianistin ergänzte ihre Klavierausbildung mit dem **Künstlerischen Aufbaustudium**.


Ich zweifle, dass dieser Studiengang überhaupt 1 : 1 zu übersetzen ist.
tanja293
Local time: 04:16
postgraduate course in piano performance
Explanation:
or something along these lines.

I could even see leaving it in German and explaining it, either in brackets or with a footnote.
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Anke Wiesinger
Germany
Local time: 04:16
Grading comment
Wie vorgeschlagen habe ich den deutschen Begriff beibehalten und die englische Erklärung in Klammern hinzugefügt. Vielen Dank Euch allen für die rege Beteiligung!
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Summary of answers provided
3 +4postgraduate course in piano performance
Anke Wiesinger
3 -1Artist's DiplomaMerry Foxworth
2postgraduate art studies
Jonathan MacKerron
1 -1Masters Degree in Music Performancecasper
2 -3introductory studies of the fine artsgangels
Summary of reference entries provided
Postgraduate course in... (music performance studies etc)orla

Discussion entries: 10





  

Answers


2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Masters Degree in Music Performance


Explanation:
The context is about a 'Pianistin' and 'ihre Klavierausbildung', so a 'Masters Degree in Piano Performance' may also fit.

casper
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  hazmatgerman: Neutral only because of the "Master's", which is not explicitly mentioned in asker's context. Otherwise agree.//No, it isn't that bad. Hope I got this linguistically positive and logically wrong.
18 hrs
  -> Thanks, hazmatgerman. Come to think of it, my guess (answer) isn't that bad, no?

neutral  British Diana: with hazmatgerman, at least you are sticking with music, but I think this is the next qualification AFTER the Masters
19 hrs
  -> Maybe you're right, British Diana. Given my CL 1, I haven't fared too badly, have I ?

disagree  Anke Wiesinger: Sorry, but level-wise, it would be after a Masters, and a translation of degrees is just not adviseable since they are not equivalent.
1 day47 mins
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
postgraduate art studies


Explanation:
perhaps...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-11-21 14:27:07 GMT)
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or "graduate art studies" depending on the country and university system

Jonathan MacKerron
Local time: 04:16
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 43

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  British Diana: Definitely not. Künstlerisch has to do with the artistic performance of music
17 hrs

neutral  Anke Wiesinger: post graduate, yes; art, no - that is too general here.
23 hrs

agree  gangels: 'art' is OK, selbst Beethoven sprach von seiner Kunst welche von Taubheit geplagt war.
1 day10 mins
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): -3
introductory studies of the fine arts


Explanation:
Aufbau in this context is generally translated as 'introduction/introductory'. Her mainstay is music, of course, but she is rounding out her education with an overview of ALL the various art disciplines

gangels
Local time: 20:16
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 5

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  efreitag: No. "Aufbau" is the exact opposite of "introductory". And this is specifically related to music, not fine arts in general.
15 hrs

neutral  hazmatgerman: Does not chime with what asker gave later.
17 hrs

disagree  British Diana: Definitely not. "Künstlerisch" has to do with the artistic rendering of music
17 hrs

disagree  Anke Wiesinger: with efreitag
23 hrs
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Artist's Diploma


Explanation:
Is it a degree designation you need, or a more general description?

Merry Foxworth
Local time: 21:16
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  British Diana: see my other comments
14 hrs

disagree  Anke Wiesinger: Diploma just doesn't work on this level (e.g. in the US a highschool diploma is not even the same as Abitur!) True, but I still don't think it's at the same level as the Aufbaustudium. :)
19 hrs
  -> I did ask what exactly the asker needed, and I was indicating that there was such a thing as an Artist's Diploma in the US for those who were not familiar with it.
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1 day2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
postgraduate course in piano performance


Explanation:
or something along these lines.

I could even see leaving it in German and explaining it, either in brackets or with a footnote.


Anke Wiesinger
Germany
Local time: 04:16
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Wie vorgeschlagen habe ich den deutschen Begriff beibehalten und die englische Erklärung in Klammern hinzugefügt. Vielen Dank Euch allen für die rege Beteiligung!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  gangels: 'künstlerisch' ist etwas anderes als 'piano performance'
25 mins
  -> Yes, but it is in addition to the Klavierstudium, so it would work here, imho. :)

agree  hazmatgerman: I sincerely hope this is the right statement, at the right place.//"german"'s part of the name I'd say. Regards.//Ay, just joking! Best.
57 mins
  -> Thanks, hazmatgerman! (Sorry!) :)

agree  British Diana: I disagree with gangels' disagree - "künstlerisch" HAS to do with performance. It is "artistic" in the sense of Beethoven's "art"
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Diana! I think the only doable options here are either an explanation (my personal preference) or a specific designation.

agree  Kim Metzger
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Kim!

agree  Guido Schenkel: From the additional context provided, it appears that that's exactly what "künstlerisch" refers to.
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Guido! Yes, I think we need to go with a specific solution.

agree  efreitag
5 hrs
  -> Thank you, efreitag!
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Reference comments


7 hrs peer agreement (net): +4
Reference: Postgraduate course in... (music performance studies etc)

Reference information:
Das künstlerische Aufbaustudium dient der Erweiterung und Vertiefung der im vorausgegangenen Studium erworbenen künstlerischen Fähigkeiten, Fertigkeiten und Kenntnisse. Sein Ziel ist die Heranbildung pianistisch hochbegabter Studentinnen und Studenten zu konzertreifen Solistinnen und Solisten. Das zentrale Anliegen des Künstlerischen Aufbaustudiums ist es, die Studierenden zu befähigen, zu einem eigenständigen künstlerischen Gestaltungsvermögen zu gelangen und Bühnenpräsenz zu erwerben. Im Mittelpunkt des Künstlerischen Aufbaustudiums steht das künstlerische Hauptfach. Studierende des künstlerischen Hauptfaches Klavier haben die Möglichkeit, Kammermusik als Wahlfach zu belegen.

Zulassungsvoraussetzungen:

Nachweis eines mit einer Diplom- oder Masterprüfung abgeschlossenen Studiums im Bereich der Künstlerischen Instrumentalbildung, Hauptfach Klavier oder eines gleichwertigen Abschlusses in demjenigen künstlerischen Hauptfach sowie der Nachweis einer auf das Künstlerische Aufbaustudium bezogenen künstlerischen Befähigung, der durch das Bestehen der Eignungsprüfung an der Martin-Luther-Universität erbracht wird.

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Note added at 7 hrs (2010-11-21 18:23:42 GMT)
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(Sorry - entry requirements in example sentence are for this course - this is an MA but would use postgrad instead as the whole masters/magister thing is always confusing, not to mind Diplom/diploma/degree etc)

Music Performance Studies MA
Course modules

Course includes: performance development, based on individual tuition from a professor at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama, supplemented by performance workshops/masterclasses; core module: approaches to music studies, providing a grounding in recent thinking in music studies; initial training in research methods prepares for individually supervised research in the context of the dissertation; 2 coursework assignments aim to deepen students’ understanding of concepts discussed in lectures and seminars, and to develop methodological and writing skills.

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Note added at 7 hrs (2010-11-21 18:26:50 GMT)
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Other courses do seem more focussed on playing/performing not just methodology etc

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Note added at 1 day53 mins (2010-11-22 12:07:05 GMT)
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I agree with everyones comments that the Aufbau is not a 'masters' - the English MA example was more for the term "music performance studies" or "music performance and playing" - would stick to postgraduate

Example sentence(s):
  • Entry requirements Honours degree in music,with high level results achieved in performance, or equivalent qualification; candidates must submit a piece of writing on a musical subject in order to provide evidence of writing skills and intellectual ability
  • Music Performance and Playing

    Reference: http://www.wisswb-portal.de/weiterbildungsangebote/details/a...
    Reference: http://www.postgraduatesearch.com/postgraduate/music-perform...
orla
Germany
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  efreitag
12 hrs
  -> Thanks, how exactly to word it is another thing - postgrad in music performance or something
agree  hazmatgerman: With your reasoning, though perhaps just post-graduate degree w/o "Master's".
13 hrs
  -> Thanks - thats what I meant too, leave out masters,diploma etc and just write postgrad
agree  British Diana: According to this the KA is higher than a Masters or Diploma
14 hrs
  -> I agree, postgrad would probably do, the english examples I gave are maybe a bit misleading - meant more the music performance bit not the MA!
agree  Anke Wiesinger: Postgrad, yes, definitely, but I'd be really careful about introducing specific degrees like Master, Phd etc. since these are not equivalent! As usual, probably needs to be left alone with an explanatory note added.
19 hrs
  -> Thanks, yes thats exactly what I said - would not use MA, diploma, degree etc. just postgrad
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