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über den Bereich des Menschlichen,

English translation: somewhat transcends normal human emotions

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01:14 Sep 17, 2011

German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Music

German term or phrase: über den Bereich des Menschlichen,

It is in a sentence that describes the second movement of Beethovens 9. symphony.
I can't make out wheter 'über den Bereich des Menschlichen' means positive or negative.
(The speaker is being positive about the movement for sure. )
Does that mean something like "not too much human, not too muchsentimental "?
The context is:

Der langsame Satz der Neunten ist ein berühmtes Adagio.
Ein Adagio, das so ein bisschen über den Bereich des Menschlichen,
wie man sich fühlt, ob man deprimiert ist oder ob man sich wohlfühlt, über den
Bereich von bloßer Subjektivität rausgeht.
Das hat so etwas Feierliches und Hymnisches, aber das Ganze ist sehr ausführlich und langsam und doch im Großen und Ganzen höchst ernst ohne melancholisch und so wahnsinnig expressiv zu sein.

Thank you for your help.

ciaoliva KudoZ activity Questions: 61 (5 open) (4 without valid answers) (2 closed without grading) Answers: 2
Local time: 11:17

English translation:somewhat transcends normal human emotions

Explanation:
to get the ball rolling ....

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Note added at 27 mins (2011-09-17 01:42:13 GMT)
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with emphasis on the "rausgeht"

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David Hollywood
Local time: 23:17

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3 +3

somewhat transcends normal human emotions

David Hollywood

[which is/goes] a bit beyond the usual reach of human emotion

KAJohnson

(moves) above the human (sphere)

Horst Huber

goes a bit beyond the human realm

Liala Stieglitz

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26 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

somewhat transcends normal human emotions

David Hollywood
Local time: 23:17
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 21

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2 hrs confidence:

(moves) above the human (sphere)

Explanation:
One is tempted to say "zone". The text wobbles between the overly nonchalant ("rausgeht", or "wahnsinnig" for exceedingly) and the more pretentious ("Hymnisches"), in a way that might be hard to replicate. The "human sphere" is seen as "mere subjectivity", somewhat self-indulgent.

Horst Huber
Local time: 22:17
Native speaker of:

German

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Asker: Thank you for your explanation.

1 day3 hrs confidence:

goes a bit beyond the human realm

Explanation:
I agree that the word "rausgeht" is important because the sentence wouldn't make any sense otherwise. This is the first thing that popped into my mind.

Liala Stieglitz
Local time: 04:17
Native speaker of:

English,

German

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Asker: Thank you for your comment!

1 day17 hrs confidence:

[which is/goes] a bit beyond the usual reach of human emotion

Explanation:
This is an expansive rather than conservative translation; the insertion of 'usual' is a bit risky, but I think it is justified, since the passage goes on to specify indentifiable states of mind: ' just what feeling is expressed,' ' whether optimistic or pessimistic...'

KAJohnson
United States
Local time: 19:17
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English

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Asker: Thank you for your help.

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PRO (3): casper, Steffen Walter, Tony Smith

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Sep 18, 2011 - Changes made by Tony Smith:
Level	Non-PRO => PRO
Sep 17, 2011 - Changes made by Steffen Walter:
Field	Other => Art/Literary
Field (specific)	Idioms / Maxims / Sayings => Music

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