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German: Burgschützen

English translation: castle's marksmen



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German term or phrase:Burgschützen
English translation:castle's marksmen
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German term or phrase: Burgschützen
This is from the afterword to Kafka's "A Country Doctor", to be published following the stories. It describes the "Goldene Gässchen" in which he wrote them.

"Unter Kaiser Rudolph II. (1552-1612) wurden
die Häuser von einer bunten Schar von Bewohnern
-Glöcknern, **Burgschützen**, Wächtern - genutzt."

I've got "castle riflemen" at the moment, but wondered if there was a more precise term. Thanks!
Rachel Ward
United Kingdom
Clarification request(s) and response
xxxFrancis Lee: 11:35am Jan 2, 2007: Isn't the era specified a tad early for rifles?
BrigitteHilgner: 11:43am Jan 2, 2007: With Francis - I have my doubts about the rifles, I think that needs checking. The most "neutral" (in regard to weapons) term I can come up with is "marksmen". And what about artillerymen?
Rachel Ward: 12:14pm Jan 2, 2007: Wiki (I know, I know) says that they date from the mid-15th century but weren't used by the infantry until the 18th.
David Moore: 12:30pm Jan 2, 2007: I suspect the Wiki "rifle" entry was made by someone who didn't read the dictionary too well; the OED says the word in use from 1459 meant a stick, or billet of wood, and the word was only used in its present sense as from 1751 (and rifleMAN from 1775).
BrigitteHilgner: 12:51pm Jan 2, 2007: Try: www.google.de. Type in: "castle marksmen" - and the result might be what you are looking for.
Frosty: 1:48pm Jan 2, 2007: @ David: Source - "The Lore of Arms - A Concise History of Weaponry": Quote; "The invention of the matchlock, sometime before 1411, was the first major improvement in firearms design." The book starts with slingshots and ends with Carl Gustav M2!!
Frosty: 1:57pm Jan 2, 2007: @David again - About the Author: William Reid is director of the National Army Museum in London. Author of ARMS THROUGH THE AGES and numerous articles on military subjects. Impeccable pedigree, don`t you think?
David Moore: 2:04pm Jan 2, 2007: @Frosty: I agree entirely; I still think it would have been a long, long time before muskets had driven out the crossbow. It would be interesting to know just when that DID happen, wouldn't it? Still, "marksmen" does cover both types of arms, doesn't it?

castle's marksmen
Explanation:
According to the dictionary, a marksman is defined as one who can shoot a rifle OR OTHER WEAPON accurately.

Since we are looking at the late 16th. century, and the castle defenders would have been armed with bows and arrows, I think marksman has to be favourite - I'm sorry Brigitte didn't post her suggestion, to which I would certainly have agreed.
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David Moore
Germany
Note from asker to answerer
Marksmen does indeed cover both types of arms! Thanks, everyone.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4castle's marksmenDavid Moore
3castle guardsKieran McCann
3sharpshooters
Henry Schroeder
3castle soldiers
Chetan Sampat


  

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castle soldiers

Explanation:
To keep it even simpler, perhaps?

Chetan Sampat
India
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sharpshooters

Explanation:
marksmen also appears, as do lots of other words from random visitors to Prague:

Golden Lane is a short, little street with colorful houses that were built during the 16th century. First they were occupied by the sharpshooters of the castle, then squatters and later by some famous artists like Franz Kafka. Most of them serve as souvenir shops now and the street is constantly full of tourists. I enjoyed the visit in 1997, but was disappointed to return

http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:iMPJy7H-2BsJ:www.virtua...

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Rudolph+II+guards+Golden...

Henry Schroeder
United States
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castle guards

Explanation:
seems to be a familiar general term:

'A knight's wages were 8d a day and he would be expected to serve for 40 days a year. Sometimes, this service would be as castle guard in a castle.'
http://www.castles-of-britain.com/castle35.htm

http://www.armadilloarmory.com/Publish/cat33.htm

unless you can pin down their specific responsibilities as here:

'...houses in other parts of the town held custom-free by men associated with the castle-guard (e.g. crossbowmen, watchmen).'
http://www.trytel.com/~tristan/towns/norwich3.html

although you seem to have 'watchmen' already...


Kieran McCann
United Kingdom
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PRO pts in category: 15

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral BrigitteHilgner: The problem is that "Wächter" are also mentioned - I would call them "castle guards".
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
castle's marksmen

Explanation:
According to the dictionary, a marksman is defined as one who can shoot a rifle OR OTHER WEAPON accurately.

Since we are looking at the late 16th. century, and the castle defenders would have been armed with bows and arrows, I think marksman has to be favourite - I'm sorry Brigitte didn't post her suggestion, to which I would certainly have agreed.

David Moore
Germany
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20
Note from asker to answerer
Marksmen does indeed cover both types of arms! Thanks, everyone.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree franglish: Why not 'archers', in this case?
13 mins

agree BrigitteHilgner: I was in a hurry (looking for something completely different), so this is quite alright. Actually, if you use www.google.de and type in "castle marksmen" (no 's) you get quite a few references to Prague!
14 mins

agree Frosty: With guns, not bows! The matchlock musket was invented ca. 1411, so at this point in time firearms had been around for almost 150 years! // See above - and a musket can be very accurate if you know how to shoot it.
34 mins
  -> OED states "musket" was first used in 1587 (and was formerly used for the bolt from a crossbow) and flintlock in 1683, so what were they called before that? With respect, I think "1411" is highly suspect.

agree Daniel De Moral
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