00:10 Nov 24 

I can´t believe it - how can you award points for a statement in which "im Träume" is taken for something real? Don´t read the discussion entries? There is no such thing as "im Träume" and there has never been - it is a typo, a frequent one - but first of all modern and not ancient - and secondly a typo - read the originals - there is no such ...

13:37 Nov 1 

as it strikes me right now, could be misunderstood - this should refer to said capacity of "secondary literature" only.

13:34 Nov 1 

the Günderrode passage also cited here

"K. von Günderrode: Der Kuß im Traume"
in "Fünfzig Gedichte der Romantik, Reclam Verlag"
http://www.reclam.de/detail/978-3-15-018108-9

most obviously in "Die Klage einer leidenden Frau - Zwei Gedichte von Karoline von Gründerode. Studienarbeit", Grin-Verlag 2005
in the content it reads: Der Kuß im Traume
on page 4 it reads: Der Kuß im Träume
http://books.google.de/books?id=-yaP5N8TRPgC&pg=PT15&lpg=PT1...�ume%22&source=bl&ots=KciutGaLpT&sig=z7MvR-yXQ28Wl2WMRx9q4qaAPz0&hl=de&ei=DX7tSsiIM6bc_Qae6eWRBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=16&ved=0CC0Q6AEwDw#v=onepage&q=%22Der%20Kuss%20im%20Träume%22&f=false



The reason for non-discovery of this admittedly widespread typo is that spell and grammar checks are not suitable here - and proofreading of all these text is no longer fashionable - and affordable, with the Romanticism in particular.


Although this link might prove me wrong - with respect to research capacity of this particular publisher (see Kujau;)
Der Kuß im Traume
http://view.stern.de/de/picture/Portrait-Frau-Traum-Gedicht-...

13:15 Nov 1 

looking at more original works or works with more proof-read capacity:


the Kant passage already discussed here:
"... eine Dichtung, welche, wenn sie unwillkürlich ist (wie etwa im Traume), Phantasie heißt ..."

in "Immanuel Kant´s Anthropologie in pragmatischer Hinsicht", 4. Originalausgabe, p78 (1833)
http://books.google.de/books?id=dKkuAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontc...

this time from "Immanuel Kant´s sämtliche Werke" (1838)
http://books.google.de/books?id=e3EuAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA72&lpg...


the Schenkendorf passage also cited here:
in "Studien" by F. Max G.S. von Schenkendorf (1808)
"... in Traume lallen ..."
http://books.google.de/books?id=sWguAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA53&lpg=PA5...�ckt+im+Traume+lallen%22+schenkendorf&source=bl&ots=mUBcS-XLS6&sig=8QgdRp_j66UNrNUVZsWVOdgXKns&hl=de&ei=jYjtSumfCNH5_AaetMGXDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=im%20traume%20lallen&f=false

22:07 Oct 30 

It's a poetic form used a lot during the Romantic period but probably has a longer history, and is still in use today.
Weissagung is 'prophecy', not 'fulfillment' - it remains to be seen if the prophecy will be fulfilled.

11:41 Oct 30 

@henry: It might be an old and long forgotten form which had been in use in the 18th c. As a matter of fact, it is not used any longer.

11:34 Oct 30 

What about Kant? Immanuell Kant? I'm not German, I don't know, but when Kant uses it...

11:33 Oct 30 

@Henry: Most google results refer to "im Träume erfüllen" which is an false form of "in fulfilling dreams", e.g., "an expert in fulfilling dreams". "Träumerfüllen" is a compound noun and as such has to be written in one word.

11:15 Oct 30 

es lassen sich tatsächlich überraschend viele Hits für "Der Kuss im Träume" finden. Wenn man denen aber nachgeht bis zum tatsächlichen Titel des Gedichts auf der Website, dann steht da doch immer 'im Traume'. Zumindest bei den 3-4, wo ich jetzt geguckt habe.
Ich halte das immer noch für einen zwar seltsam gehäuft auftretenden, aber dennoch - Fehler.

11:10 Oct 30 

...'Er ist gut im Träumeerfüllen (as noun)...' wäre die einzige Möglichkeit (denkt mal alle an Santa Claus)

10:57 Oct 30 

It has "im Träume" (with the Umlaut) in the title: http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:paspVMaRZJwJ:www.biblio...

@sivara and Caro - as a non-native I would agree with you, but there are a number of decent google hits for "im Träume", including the one I have pasted here. To me, it looks much more like some (alternative?) people use this form of "Traum"....

10:45 Oct 30 

'im Träume' ist grammatically absolute incorrect.
'Träume' is the plural of 'Traum'
'Im' can only be used with a noun in singular
Both together is utterly wrong.
I had a look on the link you kindly put in. But all these examples include spelling errors or are wrong themselves. But this the problem which you know as a translator yourself: never trust anybody! Not even 150.000 entries in Google!
The only possible correct version with 'im TRäume' is Caro's version and there 'im' and 'Träume' are not related in this way as the whole compund would then be 'im Träume erfullen'

10:45 Oct 30 

would be correct.

10:43 Oct 30 

means 'in making dreams come true' so a 'Profi im Träume erfüllen' is a person who makes dreams come true for a living. However, this needs the verb - 'im Träume' without anything else as in the question above is wrong.

10:17 Oct 30 

Why does it appear so often in Google? I'm not a native speaker of German, but I thought the same thing at first, typed it into google and found an outrageous number of entries. There also seems to be a saying "im Träume erfüllen" from the Süddeutsche Zeitung e.g. http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&source=hp&q="im Träume"&me...

10:07 Oct 30 

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