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Krippenberg / Fastenkrippe

English translation: Nativity crib (scenery) / Lenten scene


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German term or phrase:Krippenberg / Fastenkrippe
English translation:Nativity crib (scenery) / Lenten scene
Entered by: Helen Shiner
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09:28 Mar 4, 2011
German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Religion
German term or phrase: Krippenberg / Fastenkrippe
Information for tourists:

Dort wo in der Weihnachtszeit die Krippe steht, wird rechtzeit zum Beginn der Fastenzeit der Krippenberg zur Fastenkrippe umgestaltet"

A kind of carved biblical scene - am I right in thinking that it depicts the crucifixion?
Lesley Robertson
Austria
Local time: 18:40
Nativity crib scenery / Lenten scene
Explanation:
As explained in my reference posting. This is not a precise translation as such, but makes the meaning clear to an EN-speaking reader.

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This looks like something that might be described as a Berg:

http://www.wf-f.org/Creche.html

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Thanks, Lesley
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Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:40
Grading comment
Lenten scene - perfect. Thank you, Helen.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +3Nativity crib scenery / Lenten scene
Helen Shiner
4Nativity Mountain / Lent Cribadamgajlewicz
3Nativity, passion... Slight re-write by way of explanationStephen Reader
3Bethlehem /Calvary scene or mountain
British Diana
3Crêche mount/ Lent crêche
Ramey Rieger
Summary of reference entries provided
Nativity scene
Helen Shiner
Alison MacG
a Krippen*berg*
Johanna Timm, PhD

Discussion entries: 6





  

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Nativity Mountain / Lent Crib


Explanation:
http://www.fastenkrippe.de/
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/large-nativity-mountai...

adamgajlewicz
Local time: 18:40
Native speaker of: Native in PolishPolish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: I just want to point out to people that Adam's 2nd link unleashes malware claiming your computer is full of viruses. Please don't be fooled./Yes, really.
1 hr
  -> Really?

neutral  Alison MacG: Agree with Helen
1 hr
  -> Sorry, not my bad!
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Crêche mount/ Lent crêche


Explanation:
to keep the word in there

Ramey Rieger
Local time: 18:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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Bethlehem /Calvary scene or mountain


Explanation:
Possibly the "Krippenberg" similar to what is also sometimes referred to as a Weihnacjhtsberg, (e.g. in the Erzgebirge) i.e. a plastic depiction of a mountain including a kind of cave with the Nativity scene (and ore-mining activities going on if it is a mechanical one).
I have heard that sometimes this artificial mountain is topped by a depiction of Golgotha, i.e. the scene of Christ's crucifiction, as a theological statement that the Crucifiction is the inevirtable consequence to God being born as a man in Jesus Christ.
In order to bring out the way in which the same item can be used at Christmas and in Lent, I suggest using the names most easily associated with these events.

British Diana
Germany
Local time: 18:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: Just to point out that these terms are usually applied to paintings of the Old Master type, so one would need to make some allusion to the crib thing.
36 mins
  -> Oh, I didn't know that, Helen. Thanks for telling me! I am unsure whether one can use the word "crib" for anything other than a "crèche"
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Nativity, passion... Slight re-write by way of explanation


Explanation:
e.g. 'In time for Lent [if applicable:] / '... for Shrovetide, the site where, over the Christmas season, the Nativity tableau or [italics] Krippe [end itals.] ('crib') stands is transformed into a tableau to mark the period of fasting to come.' [again, if applicable: '... into a tableau of the Passion to mark...' . I'd suggested Passiontide but apparently that marks the LAST two weeks of Lent, so wouldn't be quite accurate).



Stephen Reader
Local time: 18:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
Nativity crib scenery / Lenten scene


Explanation:
As explained in my reference posting. This is not a precise translation as such, but makes the meaning clear to an EN-speaking reader.

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Note added at 1 hr (2011-03-04 11:14:18 GMT)
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This looks like something that might be described as a Berg:

http://www.wf-f.org/Creche.html

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Note added at 5 days (2011-03-09 10:19:40 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Lesley

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
Grading comment
Lenten scene - perfect. Thank you, Helen.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ingeborg Gowans: I would prefer this term, even if it is not "official"/I wasn't familiar with this concept either..
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Ingeborg and many greetings!

agree  Nicola Wood: works for me.
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, Nicola

agree  Stephen Reader: Half-coin a nativity *tableau*? (to evoke figures, "Inszenierung", mediev. trads) / & maybe toy with mummers+mystery (plays)...--> Discussion / Greetings, Helen, from carousing Ddf (just coffee, me)
5 hrs
  -> Hi Stephen, yes, tableau very good. Believe live reenactments are derived from mystery plays./Hope coffee not too strong, if carousing!!
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Reference comments


1 hr peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: Nativity scene

Reference information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_scene

The above link describes this form of display. Whilst Krippenberg appears to be common in German-speaking lands, I would suggest that it refers to the scenery, which may or may not be represented as a mountain in other countries. I wonder, therefore, if your sentence means that the scenery of the Christmas nativity is altered to produce the Lenten scene. You are right that the latter is generally a representation of the Crucifixion and thus one wonders whether 'crib' is any longer the best word for it. Perhaps 'the nativity crib scenery' and 'Lenten scene' would make more sense as terms.

Pantomimes, by the way, seems to be the term for nativity scenes enacted by live people!

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As the link says many scenes are accompanied by a village backdrop, so this may be the root of the Krippenberg.

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Alison MacG: I agree with your interpretation of the sentence and the use of scenery/scene rather than crib
22 mins
  -> Thanks, Alison
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49 mins peer agreement (net): +2
Reference

Reference information:
Krippen zur Weihnachtszeit sind normal, dass es aber auch während der Osterzeit die Leidensgeschichte Jesu, seinen Tod und seine Auferstehung in Form einer so genannten Fastenkrippe verbildlicht werden kann, ist vermutlich weniger bekannt.
http://www.rhein-erft-online.ksta.de/html/artikel/1264186002...

Unlike the Christmas Nativity which celebrates Christ’s birth, the less common Lent Nativity pantomimes a much crueler and bloodier event: the Passion.
http://www.tirol.at/xxl/en/772513/_id/1109068/index.html
Anders als ihre weihnachtlichen Pendants feiern die Fastenkrippen ein weit blutigeres, brutaleres und damit auch ergreifenderes Geschehen: die Passion Christi.
http://www.tirol.at/xxl/de/772513/_id/1105195/index.html

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Thanks, Lesley - providing background info was indeed my only intention.

Alison MacG
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Note to reference poster
Asker: The word "nativity" means birth or origin so I don't feel that "Lent nativity" works and the verb "pantomimes" is certainly not appropriate. Thank you, however, for your references- they do provide useful background information.


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Helen Shiner: The pantomimes seem to be live reenactments of nativity scenes.
51 mins
  -> Thanks, Helen!
agree  Nicola Wood: Absolutely right. Mention pantomime to an Austrian and their idea of it is something very different from the English Christmas theatrical show!
3 hrs
  -> Thanks, Nicola!
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20 hrs
Reference: a Krippen*berg*

Reference information:
looks like this:
http://www.tradoria.de/krippe/krippenberg-steinguss-mit-14-b...

The difference between a "regular" nativity scene and a Krippenberg is that the the Krippenberg consists of one piece, sometimes also refreed to as "Blockkrippe"

Building instructions:
http://www.mo-it.at/krippenwerkstatt/tipp_archiv.php?archiv_...

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 27

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
neutral  Helen Shiner: Hi, Johanna, have only just seen your reference comments. Just to say this is a carved object, so possibly more like the one illustrated in my link.
4 days
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Changes made by editors
Mar 9, 2011 - Changes made by Helen Shiner:
Created KOG entryKudoZ term => KOG term
Mar 4, 2011 - Changes made by Steffen Walter:
Field (specific)Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting => Religion


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