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22:41 Jun 19, 2017
German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Religion
German term or phrase: Pfarrhof
My text is about the Bischofshaus in Altomünster, and states: "Erst die Säkularisierung mit der Umwandlung des Bischofshauses in einen Pfarrhof brachte gewisse Modifikationen mit sich."

I'm a little confused by this. First of all, how is it becoming a Pfarrhof a sign of Säkularisierung? And then I'm not entirely confident about how to translate Pfarrhof, given that we're talking about a Catholic context here.

Would love your thoughts.
Emma Rault
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:14
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3Presbytery/parish house/clergy house
AllegroTrans
4rectoryLancashireman
1 +1parsonage
andres-larsen
Summary of reference entries provided
Bischofshaus als Gästehaus mit nachsäkularer Nutzung als Pfarrhaus
andres-larsen

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rectory


Explanation:
Roman Catholics use priory, clergy house, parochial house (mostly Ireland), chapel house (in Scotland), and rectory if appropriate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clergy_house

Säkularisierung here presumably refers to the dissolution of the monastery at Altomünster in 1813:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altomünster_Abbey


Lancashireman
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:14
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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neutral  AllegroTrans: OK but would it not still be appropriate to refer to the building concerned as a presbytery (or former presbytery perhaps)? // No, presbytery as a Catholic priest's residence is standard in E&W and has no association with the Presbyterian church
17 hrs
  -> Please check the question again. It's in two parts.
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56 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5 peer agreement (net): +1
parsonage


Explanation:
Searchresult: 1413 museums and exhibition halls Museum name ...
https://www.museen-in-bayern.de/?...
0170/9454810, http://www.altomuenster.de/default.aspx? ...... Museumsstüble im Alten Pfarrhof Reistingen (Museum Room in the Old Reistingen Parsonage) ...

dict.cc | parsonage | Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch
https://www.dict.cc/?s=parsonage
204. Pfarrhaus {n} [lutherisch, methodistisch]. relig. parsonage. 5. Pastorat {n} [Pfarrhaus]. hist. relig. parsonage [surrounded by a court] · Pfarrhof {m} ...

Krumbach, Bavaria - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krumbach,_Bavaria
Krumbach (also: Krumbach (Schwaben)) is a town with about 12,500 residents in the district ... museum; waxart museum MORSA; Krumbad; church of Niederraunau; castle of Niederraunau; Dossenberger Pfarrhof (parsonage) Billenhausen.

File:Kirchehrenbach-Pfarrhaus-8216981.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
https://commons.wikimedia.org/.../File:Kirchehrenbach-Pfarrh...
English: former parsonage in Kirchehrenbach. Deutsch: ehemaliger Pfarrhof in Kirchehrenbach. Landessymbol Freistaat Bayern.svg, This is a picture of the ...

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in German:

Barthel & Maus – „Bischofshaus“, Altomünster
https://barthelundmaus.de/bischofshaus-altomuenster
Das sog. Bischofshaus im Zentrum des Klosterbezirkes von Altomünster wurde 1689/90 unter Verwendung eines Vorgängerbaus als Gästehaus für ranghohe Besucher errichtet. ... Im Zuge der nachsäkularen Nutzung als Pfarrhaus ging der barocke Ziergiebel verloren, die klare Raumfolge wurde durch Einbauten verstellt.

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Museumsstüble im Alten Pfarrhof Reistingen (Museum Room in the ...
https://www.museen-in-bayern.de/.../museums.../museumsearch/...
Museumsstüble im Alten Pfarrhof Reistingen (Museum Room in the Old Reistingen Parsonage). Ziertheim, Lkr. Dillingen a. d. Donau / Schwaben. Wrought iron ...

andres-larsen
Venezuela
Local time: 03:14
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  herbalchemist: http://www.dict.cc/?s=Pfarrhof 'Catholic parsonage' is often used when describing a property in Bayern ex: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/sex-abuse-scanda...
11 hrs
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neutral  AllegroTrans: not in the RC church
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39 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
Presbytery/parish house/clergy house


Explanation:
A more "universal" word than its English counter[arts, since it can be used for all Christian denominations that have parishes and resident clergy.

In the Catholic sense:

Presbytery definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/presbyt...
A presbytery is the house in which a Roman Catholic priest lives.


Image result for parish house
www.landmarktrust.org.uk
Definition of parish house. 1 : an auxiliary building belonging to a church and used for its business, social, or extension activities. 2 : the residence of a clergyman (as a Roman Catholic priest)

Clergy house - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clergy_house
A clergy house is the residence, or former residence, of one or more priests or ministers of religion. Contents. [hide]. 1 Function; 2 Nomenclature; 3 Image gallery ...
‎Function · ‎Nomenclature · ‎Image gallery · ‎See also

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Roman Catholic Church of St Joseph - Diocese of Westminster
https://parish.rcdow.org.uk/bunhillrow/
Welcome to the webpage of the Roman Catholic Church of St Joseph, Bunhill Row Parish. Our postal address is St Joseph's Presbytery, 15 Lamb's Passage, ...
Reading St Joseph parish - Catholic Diocese of Portsmouth Directory
www.portsmouthdiocese.org.uk/directory/organisation/119.htm
Reading St Joseph parish. Click on map to zoom in. St Joseph's Presbytery, Berkshire Drive, Reading, Berkshire. RG31 5JJ. Telephone 0118 942 8632 Send a ...



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St John the Evangelist Catholic Church, Bath - Welcome
https://www.stjohnsrcbath.org.uk/
St John the Evangelist Roman Catholic Church, Bath - parish website ... archive has now been brought together and securely shelved upstairs at the presbytery.



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Parish Church of St Boniface » St Boniface
stbonifacechurch.co.uk/parish-church-of-st-boniface/
A Short History of St Boniface Parish Okehampton ... had more ambitious plans for a bigger church and presbytery, a school-room and possibly even a Convent.

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St Andrew's Catholic Church Tenterden
www.standrewstenterden.org/
St Andrew's Catholic Church The Presbytery 47 Ashford Road Tenterden Kent TN30 6LL Tel: 01580 762785. Email: st.andrews.tent@btinternet.com. Join us for ...

AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:14
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Gordon Matthews: I would go for "presbytery" here as "the house in which a Roman Catholic priest lives". "Säkularisation" is a process whereby civil society and government remove themselves from the control of the Church (hierarchy). People may still be believers.
8 hrs
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agree  Clive Phillips
1 day12 hrs
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agree  Lancashireman: Presbytery is another possibility here. What's your take on the asker's main concern - secularisation - though? // "First of all, how is it becoming a Pfarrhof a sign of Säkularisierung? And then I'm not entirely confident about how to translate Pfarrhof"
1 day22 hrs
  -> Thanks - not sure on "Säkularisierung" but I would think Asker is capable of researching this
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Reference comments


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Reference: Bischofshaus als Gästehaus mit nachsäkularer Nutzung als Pfarrhaus

Reference information:
Barthel & Maus – „Bischofshaus“, Altomünster
https://barthelundmaus.de/bischofshaus-altomuenster
Das sog. Bischofshaus im Zentrum des Klosterbezirkes von Altomünster wurde 1689/90 unter Verwendung eines Vorgängerbaus als Gästehaus für ranghohe Besucher errichtet. ... Im Zuge der nachsäkularen Nutzung als Pfarrhaus ging der barocke Ziergiebel verloren, die klare Raumfolge wurde durch Einbauten verstellt.

andres-larsen
Venezuela
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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