bimsen

English translation: scouring; pumicing

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German term or phrase:	bimsen
English translation:	scouring; pumicing
Entered by:	AnnS

15:52 Dec 3, 2004

German to English translations [PRO]
Textiles / Clothing / Fashion / Making shoes by hand

German term or phrase: bimsen

This term appears in a description of how shoes are made. None of the translations I have been able to find (to drill, to fluff) seem relevant here. There must be a correct English term for this process. However, having spent hours on the Internet and searching encyclopedias I'm still none the wiser. Can anyone help? Here's the context:
Das Bimsen bezeichnet das Umschlagen und Verkleben der Laufsohle über die Naht.

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scouring

Explanation:
I don't think the definition of Bimsen ist correct.

A Bimsstein is a purnice stone, and this site seems to confirm that bimsen refers to some kind of leather treatment:

Leder mit vollem, natürlichen Narben, wie er nach Entfernung der Epidermis sichtbar wird. Der Narben wird weder durch Bimsen noch durch Schleifen oder Spalten verändert.
http://www.halfs.de/Neue_Dateien/lexikonlede.html

IMO, this corresponds to the act of 'scouring' as described here:

· Scouring the edges or bottom
Rubbing it with a rubbing stone [Holme, 1688]

Found this in a truly excellent and very comprehensive research glossary:

http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/RESEARCH/G...

The definition of Bimsen must refer to something else, maybe to:

· Inseaming ("The Sewing")
1. "Sewing on the sole" Sewing the Insole to the welt or rand. [Holme, 1688]
2. The sewing together of uppers, insole and welt. [Goubitz, 2001]

from the above glossary.
HTH

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Sorry, I must have done something to the link, it does not seem to work. Here\'s another attempt.

http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/RESEARCH/G...

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and here\'s the section I quoted from:
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/RESEARCH/G...

Selected response from:

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 16:31

Grading comment

I went for this answer as I found references to scouring machines and so on but couldn't find much about pumicing in this context. I'm extremely grateful for your input and all the references, Johanna, also to everyone else who contributed. I tried ringing up shoemakers and cobblers but got nowhere there either. I have come to the conclusion that the text was probably misleading and scouring/Bimsen perhaps refers to the grinding process described in the last sentence of my extract.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

3 +2

scouring

Johanna Timm, PhD

buff

HelenY

Discussion entries: 8

Non-ProZ.com

17:40 Dec 5, 2004

Found some confirmation of the term 'scouring' in a list of finishing machines, www.wipo.org/classifications/ fulltext/new_ipc/pdf/e/subclass/a43d.pdf so shall opt for Johanna's suggestion of scouring. Couldn't find pumicing in this context. I think the source text is misleading. MANY thanks to everyone for your suggestions and help.

Richard Benham

France

Kučera has �pumice� (as a verb), for what it�s worth.

20:21 Dec 3, 2004

Non-ProZ.com

18:43 Dec 3, 2004

Thanks Johanna. That's a useful insight. So maybe 'sanding' or 'buffing'? Or just 'finishing'

Johanna Timm, PhD

Canada

Hi, found another definition for Bimsen here: http://berufe.arbeitsamt.de/bnet2/S/B3720102aufgaben_t.html
Bimsen: Speziell in der Schuhherstellung bezeichnet das Feinschleifen von Sohlen und Bodenteilen nach dem Grobschliff und vor dem Ausputzen

18:20 Dec 3, 2004

Non-ProZ.com

17:39 Dec 3, 2004

Hello Johanna,
Thanks for your input. The definition actually came from the text I am translating and is a quotation rather than something I found in a dictionary. According to the text the parts have already been sewn together by this stage. Maybe a bigger extract would help:
Jetzt werden nacheinander Brandsohle und Zwischensohle und dann Zwischensohle und Laufsohle miteinander vern�ht. Diese aufw�ndige Verarbeitungsweise ist auch Namensgeber f�r das Qualit�tsmerkmal der �doppelt gen�hten Sohle�. Eine der Grundlagen f�r h�chsten Tragekomfort und lange Lebensdauer.
Der Schuh ist jetzt bereits als solcher zu erkennen. Noch fehlen die Feinarbeiten: Das Bimsen bezeichnet das Umschlagen und Verkleben der Laufsohle �ber die Naht. Anschlie�endes Fr�sen von Zwischensohle, Laufsohle und des angeklebten Lederabsatzes gibt der Sohle Ihre endg�ltige Form.

Kim Metzger

Mexico

I deleted my response because I'm not my answer was correct. I'll see if I can come up with something better.

17:35 Dec 3, 2004

Non-ProZ.com

17:30 Dec 3, 2004

Hello Kim,
Thanks for your answers. They are handcrafted shoes, made in a traditional manner - and yes, I agree, it does seem odd to fold the outsole over the welt. Perhaps that's why I can't find any information about this? Moreover, the text doesn't refer anywhere to a welt, although there seems to be a middle sole.
By the way, I have received your detailed response in an e-mail (many thanks), but all your detailed information doesn't show on the question template.

Kim Metzger

Mexico

Hi Ann, are these modern shoes? Shoes with the outsole folded over the welt seems quite unusual for modern shoes.

17:03 Dec 3, 2004

Answers

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

scouring

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 16:31
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 242

Grading comment

3 hrs confidence:

buff

Explanation:
I'm not sure about this at all, as I know nothing about shoe making, but the Hohenadel textile dictionary gives "buffing machine" as "Bimsmaschine", so that would fit in with your guess. In hat making, this is a pumicing machine, and "bimsen" is given as to "pounce", but again, I'd have to check if I can find a reference to that, as I've not heard it in this context.

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\"Pounce\" can also mean to smooth down by rubbing with a pounce or pumice

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Note added at 4 hrs 57 mins (2004-12-03 20:50:10 GMT)
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Pounce seems to be specific to hat-making: \"In hat manufacturing, the operation of the subjecting the felt hood or body to a mechanical treatment with emery paper to produce a smooth finish.\" (REsil textiles dictionary), so ignore that!

HelenY
PRO pts in category: 4

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