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même sans ça

Spanish translation: incluso sin esto

17:28 Dec 30, 2001
German to Spanish translations [Non-PRO]
Art/Literary
German term or phrase: même sans ça
Madame Rosa était dejà vieille et fatiguée même sans ça et elle le prenait très mal parce qu´elle avait dejà été persécutée comme Juive.
judith carrera
Spanish translation:incluso sin esto
Explanation:
La señora Rosa ya estaba vieja y cansada incluso sin (que ocurriera) esto...



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Note added at 2001-12-30 17:42:39 (GMT)
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He escrito \"esto\" pero también podría ser \"eso\". Sin embargo, como el contexto parece ser los pensamientos (aunque narrados en tercera persona) de la sra Rosa, creo que ella diría \"esto\" porque ha ocurrido algo que para ella está cerca y en el presente.
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Hazel Whiteley
Local time: 02:47
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4incluso sin esto
Hazel Whiteley
4aun sin eso
Claudia Iglesias


  

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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
incluso sin esto


Explanation:
La señora Rosa ya estaba vieja y cansada incluso sin (que ocurriera) esto...



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Note added at 2001-12-30 17:42:39 (GMT)
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He escrito \"esto\" pero también podría ser \"eso\". Sin embargo, como el contexto parece ser los pensamientos (aunque narrados en tercera persona) de la sra Rosa, creo que ella diría \"esto\" porque ha ocurrido algo que para ella está cerca y en el presente.

Hazel Whiteley
Local time: 02:47
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in pair: 15
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Hermeneutica: Sí, obviamente se refiere a lo que sea que hayan relatado probablemente en la oración anterior.
25 mins
agree  Claudia Iglesias
53 mins
agree  Fernando Muela Sopeña: ...sin que hubiera ocurrido eso (o esto)
1 hr
agree  Katrin Zinsmeister
1 hr
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57 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
aun sin eso


Explanation:
Estoy de acuerdo con Hazel, esto es otra manera de decirlo.

Claudia Iglesias
Chile
Local time: 21:47
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in pair: 7
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