te'udat dargat yitzug - תעודת דרגת יצוג

English translation: temporary rank certificate

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Hebrew term or phrase:	te'udat dargat yitzug
English translation:	temporary rank certificate
Entered by:	Suzan Chin

04:21 Mar 5, 2004

Hebrew to English translations [PRO]
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Hebrew term or phrase: te'udat dargat yitzug - תעודת דרגת יצוג

What is תעודת דרגת יצוג in English?
It appears to be a military certificate in which a "turai" is receiving a "dargat yitzug" of "sagam".

Thanks!

Suzan Chin KudoZ activity Questions: 441 (4 open) (17 without valid answers) (23 closed without grading) Answers: 454 United States
Local time: 21:35

Pro tem / temporary rank certificate

Explanation:
I am no longer sure about 'interim', because in the typical case, the holder never does go to officer school and therefore does not proceed to a permanent rank. Therefore, it's not 'interim' (which is more like 'beynayim') but rather 'pro tem' (zmanit).

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Alex says above that \'there is no mention that it\'s temporary\'. Of course there is: it\'s all there in the word YITZUG, meaning that it\'s a special rank for REPRESENTATION purposes only, and the holder will eventually REVERT to the old rank when the special reason no longer applies. You need to understand the concept behind the term to be able to translate it: you don\'t translate the words verbatim. And to do that, you need to understand the cultural connotations, the context in which the term is embedded. Saying \'There is no such thing because I say so\', when you have never experienced the contextual circumstances, is a childish tantrum and not the way a professional translator behaves. As to telling Suzan she is \'pathetic\', a \'mere civilian\', and best of all - \'everyone wants to show how smart (s)he is\'; all I can do is refer you to pots and kettels.

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kettles.

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kettles.

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These ranks are mainly used for personnel representing Israel abroad, of course.

Selected response from:

Eynat

Grading comment

Thank you so much, Eynat and everyone else who have responded to my question.
Ta, Suzan :)
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

5 +3

(Interim) Representative Rank Promotion

Raphy ELDAD

5 +1

Pro tem / temporary rank certificate

Eynat

brevet certificate

judithyf

5 -3

Army Promotion Certificate

Alex Zelkind (X)

3 -1

local rank cerificate

Jonathan Spector

Discussion entries: 11

Non-ProZ.com

06:34 Mar 5, 2004

Your last comment was completely out of line. Why did you want me to thank you for something that I disagreed with instead of clarifying. Obviously you can't accept clarifications because you have to be right. Give your ego a rest. This is my final comment. It's not worth my time.

Alex Zelkind (X)

Harrassment! Why do you feel harrassed by my comments? This is pathetic, Takling to civilians is like talking to a wall

06:28 Mar 5, 2004

Non-ProZ.com

Whatever!

06:17 Mar 5, 2004

As many times as you harrass me with your comments. Actually, I have no idea how it got re-posted. Perhaps it happened when I refreshed the page. Sorry for using your name in vain.

Alex Zelkind (X)

How many times are you going to repeat the same thing?

06:11 Mar 5, 2004

Non-ProZ.com

To Alex

06:03 Mar 5, 2004

I don't know what your problem is but it has nothing with not wanting to give you points so don't get all defensive. As I said, the certificate indicates that the rank change is valid for ONE YEAR ("betokef miyom" and "tokef ha'eeshur ad yom"). It looks like an ID card. So, chill out.

Non-ProZ.com

To Alex

05:49 Mar 5, 2004

Non-ProZ.com

To Alex

05:27 Mar 5, 2004

Alex Zelkind (X)

So what? Enlisted soldiers get promoted every 6 months. He gets this certificate until he will be eligible for a new one

05:27 Mar 5, 2004

Non-ProZ.com

To Alex

05:22 Mar 5, 2004

Alex Zelkind (X)

Look, if you don't want to give me points - just say so. If the certificate is given - it is permanent, until next prom

05:13 Mar 5, 2004

Non-ProZ.com

Clarification

05:03 Mar 5, 2004

The certificate does not indicate that it is a permanent change in rank or promotion since the change is in effect for only one year. Almost as if the turai is in a position of an acting sagam.

Answers

20 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -3

Army Promotion Certificate

Explanation:
http://citationexpress.com/Cert_Army Promotion Certificate.h...

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What do you exactly want then? I\'m telling you what it is called in the US Army where I was an officer. You won\'t get anything else - this is what it is called. There are no \"temporary\" promotion certificates. A soldier receives a certificate of promotion. When he will be promoted later - his old certificate will be automaticaly revoked. Same thing will happen if he will be demoted in rank.
Privates, PV2, PFC receive promotion on basis of time served. They move up in the ranks every 6 months.
Why do you want to make it difficult?

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There are some simple and basic things which don\'t even require explanation. Do what you want. I should not have answered your question in the first place. Instead of at least receiving a simple \"thank you\" - some absurdity begins where everyone wants to show how smart (s)he is. Children don\'t act that way.

Alex Zelkind (X)
Native speaker of:

Russian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

00000000 (X)

1 min

-> Thank you, Esther

disagree

Jonathan Spector: You clearly misunderstood the term.

59 mins

-> What part of it did I misunderstood?

disagree

Eynat: Errr ... there IS a temporary promotion. Have you served in the IDF? I have. Were you an IDF corporal who had to sit on IAF HQ committees where the others were officers and were given a temporary 2nd Lt rank? I have.

4 hrs

-> OK-OK. First it's a certificate (and there is no mention that it's temporary), then all of a sudden it becomes a temporary " ID card". I don't play such games :) Anyway, this system of temporary promotion to officer' position is bizarre and makes no sense

disagree

Sue Goldian: For the reasons stated by Jonathan and Eynat

4 hrs

-> Jonathan did not state any reasons, and Eynat... Well, you and Eynat, and Suzan... Nevermind :)

disagree

Iris Bat-Or: Acting Rank - a rank given for a specific duty (or a tour of duty) in and out of Israel, mostly for appearance sake.

7 days

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

te'udat dargat yitzug - תעודת דרגת יצוג local rank cerificate

Explanation:
Certain positions in the army carry a lieutenant's rank but the 'officer' was chosen from the civilian population (army spokesman for example). The rank applies as long as he remains in the position, reverting to his lower rank when he leaves.

Jonathan Spector
Israel
Local time: 04:35
Native speaker of: English

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

(Interim) Representative Rank Promotion

Explanation:
This is usually an officer rank promotion given in special cases to military that did not graduate an officer course, yet they need an officer rank to perform their duty or special functions. It's not a permanent rank, but an interim one requiring the candidate to go through an official officer course, otherwise his rank will be removed when terminating his special function.
To acceede to such a rank, you can be a Turay or a sergeant or whatever rank lower to the one you postulate for.

Raphy ELDAD
Local time: 04:35
Works in field
Native speaker of:

French,

Hebrew

5 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Pro tem / temporary rank certificate

Eynat
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Thank you so much, Eynat and everyone else who have responded to my question.
Ta, Suzan :)

9 hrs confidence:

te'udat dargat yitzug - תעודת דרגת יצוג brevet certificate

Explanation:
dargat yitzug us a brevet or local (nominal) rank in which the soldier's pay remains as was.

judithyf
Local time: 04:35
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8

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