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English translation: रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद (चतुर् = four)


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Hindi term or phrase:ratichaturakathakovid
English translation:रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद (चतुर् = four)
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08:34 Feb 26, 2009
Hindi to English translations [Non-PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / Festivals in Ancient Indian Literature
Hindi term or phrase: ratichaturakathakovid
Greetings,

I'm absolutely fascinated by the former Kaumudī Mahotsava in Pāṭalīputra as then was. I imagine this festival is no longer celebrated in Modern India. Nevertheless, as it was so famous a festival, I should imagine it's highly probable that it's still remembered and referred to in Hindi with the use of various of your tatsama words.

Anyway, I think it used to be celebrated on the first full moon day of the autumn season. There would be courtesans following the Dhūrta, experts in narrating love stories or love talk; this love talk was known as ratichaturakathakovid or something.

It is ratichaturakathakovid that I am looking for. I've managed to work out, I think, three of the four parts of this compound, but for a good translation I need the missing part, i.e. the chatura part, please.

1 रतिः f. amorous enjoyment
2 ?
3 कथा f. talk, story
4 कोविद (adj.) skilled (in)

All the best, and many thanks,

Simon
SeiTT
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:37
रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद (चतुर् = four)
Explanation:
चतुर् का यहाँ पर अर्थ four है। जैसे : चतुर्मुख (chaturamukh), चतुर्भुज(Chaturabhuj), चतुर्विद्या आदि में चतुर् का प्रयोग हुआ है।

चूँकि कौमुदी महोत्सव एक सार्वजनिक महोत्सव होता था, जिसमें नगर के मार्गों पर "रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद" प्रेमकथाएं कहता था, इसलिए यहाँ पर रति के अर्थ में प्रेम (love) की भावना प्रबल है।

रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद - वह व्यक्ति जो प्रेम की चार प्रकार की कथाओं का जानकार हो उन्हें कहने में निपुण हो।
चतुर्कथा का प्रयोग शायद इसलिए हुआ हो कि इसमें प्रेम की चार प्रकार की कथाएं मुख्यत: कही जाती रही होंगी।

कामशास्त्र में वर्णित प्रेम के चार प्रकारों का जिक्र इन लिंक में है:
"There are 4 types of love [2.1.39-45],..."
(books.google.com/books?isbn=0192839829...)

According to the Kama Sutra, there are four different types of love, each of which has its own place in the hierarchy of self-realization.
(http://www.gradesaver.com/kama-sutra/study-guide/major-theme...

हो सकता है चतुर्कथा की कोई दूसरी व्याख्या हो, लेकिन "चतुर" (clever) होना मुश्किल है क्योंकि चतुर और कोविद दोनों का एक साथ प्रयोग करने का कोई औचित्य नजर नहीं आता।

बहरहाल, इंटरनेट पर उपलब्ध यह सामग्री देखें :
"...follow the Dhurtas or pimps expert in narrating love stories or in love talk, ratichaturakathakovida, on the rathya or main street of the city.
Kaumudi Mahotsava was a joyous folk festival of ancient India. In the Kamasutra it is referred to as Kaumudi Jagara...."
(books.google.com/books?isbn=8170174309...)

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Note added at 2 days22 hrs (2009-03-01 07:28:54 GMT)
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रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद expert in narrating four types of love stories or love talk

रति love
चतुर् four
कथा story, narrative
कोविद expert, specialist, scholar
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Lalit Sati
India
Local time: 06:07
Grading comment
many thanks very good indeed
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Summary of answers provided
5An expert story teller of sex artists
Sushan Harshe
4an expert story-teller clever at sex
cmrawal
3रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद (चतुर् = four)
Lalit Sati
3Expert/wise/learned at telling ecstasy/happiness/satisfaction/love/devotion/passion... stories
Ramesh Bhatt
3smart or expert at
sukirat anand


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smart or expert at


Explanation:
Maybe ( entirely going by the context) it is ratichatur ( someone who is an expert in amorous acts, or a courtesan in other words)

Example sentence(s):
  • Ratikant is Cupid in mythology
sukirat anand
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an expert story-teller clever at sex


Explanation:
In रतिचतुरकथाकोविद, perhaps the word चतुर refers to the type of the person (or lover) as may be seen from the following reference.

नायक के कुछ अन्य भेद इस प्रकार हैं। प्रोषित, मानी, चतुर, अनभिज्ञ। मानी के दो भेद हैं : रूपमानी, गुणमानी। चतुर के भेद भी दो हैं: वचन चतुर, क्रिया-चतुर। रसलीन ने इन्हीं के साथ स्वयंदूत नायक का भी कथन किया है। अनभिज्ञ को भानुदत्त के अनुकरण पर पद्माकर ने भी नायकाभास माना है। केशव (1591 ई.) ने नायक के प्रछन्न और प्रकाश भेद भी माने हैं। रसलीन के मत से उपपति के तीन तथा वैशिक के दो उपभेद हैं।
hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/नायक_नायिका_भेद



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Expert/wise/learned at telling ecstasy/happiness/satisfaction/love/devotion/passion... stories


Explanation:
Kovid means an expert/experienced/learned/wise
Rati means ecstasy, happiness, satisfaction, love, devotion, ecstasy of copulation, cohabition, etc.
Chatur means clever
Ratichatur thus means clever at Rati
Katha means story


Ramesh Bhatt
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Native speaker of: Native in UrduUrdu, Native in EnglishEnglish
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An expert story teller of sex artists


Explanation:
रतिचतुरकथाकोविद
रतिक्रिया के चतुरों की कथाएँ कहने मे माहिर

रति चतुर A person who has deep sence of sex/ a person who performs sex with art, to give pleasure to his/her partnar.

कथा कोविद an expert storyteller.


Example sentence(s):
  • रतिचतुरकथाकोविद
  • An expert story teller of sex artists
Sushan Harshe
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रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद (चतुर् = four)


Explanation:
चतुर् का यहाँ पर अर्थ four है। जैसे : चतुर्मुख (chaturamukh), चतुर्भुज(Chaturabhuj), चतुर्विद्या आदि में चतुर् का प्रयोग हुआ है।

चूँकि कौमुदी महोत्सव एक सार्वजनिक महोत्सव होता था, जिसमें नगर के मार्गों पर "रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद" प्रेमकथाएं कहता था, इसलिए यहाँ पर रति के अर्थ में प्रेम (love) की भावना प्रबल है।

रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद - वह व्यक्ति जो प्रेम की चार प्रकार की कथाओं का जानकार हो उन्हें कहने में निपुण हो।
चतुर्कथा का प्रयोग शायद इसलिए हुआ हो कि इसमें प्रेम की चार प्रकार की कथाएं मुख्यत: कही जाती रही होंगी।

कामशास्त्र में वर्णित प्रेम के चार प्रकारों का जिक्र इन लिंक में है:
"There are 4 types of love [2.1.39-45],..."
(books.google.com/books?isbn=0192839829...)

According to the Kama Sutra, there are four different types of love, each of which has its own place in the hierarchy of self-realization.
(http://www.gradesaver.com/kama-sutra/study-guide/major-theme...

हो सकता है चतुर्कथा की कोई दूसरी व्याख्या हो, लेकिन "चतुर" (clever) होना मुश्किल है क्योंकि चतुर और कोविद दोनों का एक साथ प्रयोग करने का कोई औचित्य नजर नहीं आता।

बहरहाल, इंटरनेट पर उपलब्ध यह सामग्री देखें :
"...follow the Dhurtas or pimps expert in narrating love stories or in love talk, ratichaturakathakovida, on the rathya or main street of the city.
Kaumudi Mahotsava was a joyous folk festival of ancient India. In the Kamasutra it is referred to as Kaumudi Jagara...."
(books.google.com/books?isbn=8170174309...)

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Note added at 2 days22 hrs (2009-03-01 07:28:54 GMT)
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रतिचतुर्कथाकोविद expert in narrating four types of love stories or love talk

रति love
चतुर् four
कथा story, narrative
कोविद expert, specialist, scholar

Lalit Sati
India
Local time: 06:07
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in HindiHindi
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
many thanks very good indeed
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