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Italian term or phrase:	arte presepiale
English translation:	nativity scene craft
Entered by:	Giovanna Pistillo

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10:27am Jun 6, 2008

Italian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting / traditional crafts

Italian term or phrase: arte presepiale

Giovanna Pistillo

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Questions: 139 (3 open)
Answers: 44

Italy

Clarification request(s) and response

Giovanna Pistillo: 10:41am Jun 6, 2008: what is "arte presepiale" - it is the art/craft of making (traditionally by hand) everything that is part of a nativity scene (from the set - houses, manger, etc. - to the statues, to the structure supporting the whole thing...) THANKS
TrishCivitella: 11:09am Jun 6, 2008: For Potlatch: Yes and I do agree that "nativity" could mean any birth.... but again, ask an Italian what a "presepio" is, & I assure you the majority will mention Christmas & Jesus...
Potlatch: 11:13am Jun 6, 2008: For Trish: I AM Italian and I perfectly know what it is. What is a crib?
http://images.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http://www.giancarloce...
TrishCivitella: 11:20am Jun 6, 2008: A crib, as far as I am concerned, is a baby's cradle, or creche. For the record... I too am Italian in the sense that I grew up with Italian culture and now I live here amongst Italians. What do you imagine when you hear the word "presepio"?
Potlatch: 11:25am Jun 6, 2008: This is exactly what I imagine...:
http://images.google.it/images?hl=it&q=crib%20presepio&lr=la...
Tom in London: 11:25am Jun 6, 2008: So far as I know, in the English-speaking world there is no such thing as "arte presepiale"; it isn't a recognised art form so the issue is - what would an English-speaking person, in today's English-speaking world, think when they see the term "crib art"
TrishCivitella: 11:32am Jun 6, 2008: Potlatch: If that's what you are imagining, then I think we agree.
Tom: That's true and we have to take that into consideration.
Cathryn Taylor: 3:39am Jun 7, 2008: I'm going with Moranna's suggestion for the reasons given. The work that goes into presepi here (Sorrento) is phenomenal. Link to photos/info on one of my favourites - http://www.sorrentoinfo.com/presepi/presepe-sedil-dominova.a...

nativity scene craft

Explanation:
More appropriate

Selected response from:

moranna
Italy

Note from asker to answerer

Thanks a lot!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

3 +5

Nativity scene art

Tom in London

4 +3

nativity scene craft

moranna

The design of cribs/nativity scenes

JoannaM

art depicting the baby Jesus in the manger

TrishCivitella

3 -1

crib art

Potlatch

Answers

9 mins confidence:

art depicting the baby Jesus in the manger

Explanation:
Wow, this is difficult to word. Basically, the setting of the baby Jesus in the manger that is seen at Christmas time is the "presepio" (sure we all knew that), so I have tried to word it as simply as possible because I don't think there is a direct translation.
"arte presepiale" can also mean the animals, or the wise men or Mary and Joseph... basically anything that appears in the traditional setting!

Reference: http://www.artepresepiale.org

TrishCivitella
Italy
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 6

9 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

crib art

Language variant: art of crib

Explanation:
May be??

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http://www.google.it/search?hl=it&q=%22crib+art%22&as_q=pres...

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Note added at 24 min (2008-06-06 10:51:46 GMT)
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Vedi soprattutto:
http://ewtn.com/library/FAMILY/CMSCRB.TXT

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Note added at 31 min (2008-06-06 10:59:26 GMT)
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From my link:
"THE following pages are not a study of Crib art: they aim at
making a little sightseeing journey to find out what Cribs have
looked like in different countries and centuries....
The Crib artists of Germany were extremely numerous: in the
sixteenth century Hans Krauth and Theodor Goth were well-known
potters......

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Maybe would you prefer "Christmas crib"??

Potlatch
Italy
Native speaker of:

Italian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

disagree

Tom in London: if I came across the term "crib art" I would think "art that someone has been copied from other people's work"

16 mins

-> You know, Tom, in English one word can have a lot of meanings, but in this case I'm quite sure "crib" is the right word!// I can imagine, but give a look at the link I posted, please.

neutral

TrishCivitella: Crib is the right word... BUT, we are talking specifically about the crib in which lay the baby Jesus when He was born....

20 mins

-> Not in my opinion: Giovanna wrote (and this is the only Italian sense...): "everything that is part of a nativity scene "...

neutral

Sonia Atkinson: Edited to say I was wrong about it being a US term. However, it just isn't in common usage. I have always heard them referred to as nativity scenes, not cribs, which make me think of generic babies' cradles

1 hr

-> Hi Sonia! I understand, but whh, on my dictionary, "crib" is indicated as to be a BE (British English) word??

3 hrs confidence:

The design of cribs/nativity scenes

Explanation:
I don't think there is a standard term. We 'set up the crib' in England, and by this we mean the whole lot - animals and figures etc. Terms such as Nativity (or Nativity Scene) Craft come to mind but to me they sound forced and translated (albeit referred to on the net). I'm not sure it is a recognised art form as it is in Italy. You may find, I guess, that you'll have to reconstruct the whole sentence to get the meaning in (' e.g. she specialises in designing nativity scenes').

Reference: http://www.frugalmom.net/forums/showthread.php?t=295
Reference: http://www.first-school.ws/activities/bible/nativity1.htm

JoannaM
Italy
Native speaker of:

English

5 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +5

Nativity scene art

Explanation:
? a long shot maybe

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Nobody seems to have a definitive answer. To make yourself absolutely clear (and succint, without wandering off into explanatory digressions) you might say "Presepio (nativity scene) art" and then get on with the rest of the text :)

Tom in London
United Kingdom
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 20

9 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

nativity scene craft

Explanation:
More appropriate

moranna
Italy
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Italian,

English
PRO pts in category: 12

Note from asker to answerer

Thanks a lot!

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Italian: arte presepiale

English translation: nativity scene craft