Italian: presto e presta toccate le scritttura come di legge e praticaEnglish translation: with our hands on the Holy Writ, according to law and practice 
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| GLOSSARY ENTRY (DERIVED FROM QUESTION BELOW) | | Italian term or phrase: | toccate le scrittura come di legge e pratica | | English translation: | with our hands on the Holy Writ, according to law and practice | | Entered by: | Isabel Booth |
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Law/Patents - Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs / power of attorney | | Italian term or phrase: presto e presta toccate le scritttura come di legge e pratica | Sorry it is more than one word, but I just don't get it. Does it mean that the notary will be registering the oath soon?
The full sentence is:
Per la piena osservanza delle quali cose tutte il su costituito obbliga se stesso beni ragioni ed azioni nella forma più valida di legge e guarentigia, con tutte le solite e più opportune clausole cautele consensi e rinunce il tutto confermando con giuramento che a mia delazione presto e presta toccate le scritttura come di legge e pratica |
| | Clarification request(s) and responseFrancesca Callegari: 9:30am Feb 1, 2006: ma chi è, Azzeccagarbugli dei Promessi Sposi? :) Buona fortuna! -
Isabel Booth: 9:35am Feb 1, 2006: E' un notaio - help!!!
skardo: 9:42am Feb 1, 2006: Try and translate it back into spanish, that might help. -
Isabel Booth: 9:46am Feb 1, 2006: Skardo- thanks for the suggestion, but why Spanish? I was thinking more of double dutch!
Isabel Booth: 10:00am Feb 1, 2006: Hey Skardo? Are you a telepathic or something? There are 2 sentences in Spanish at end of the doc ...
Jo Macdonald: 10:20am Feb 1, 2006: Hi IC,
That’s totally incomprehensible. The original doesn’t make sense. I would send it back and ask for a good original; otherwise the translation will just be guesswork.
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Isabel Booth: 10:28am Feb 1, 2006: Thanks Jo, at least I know I'm not a complete idjit....how's things?
Jo Macdonald: 10:36am Feb 1, 2006: Nice and easy here, thanks mate. Have fun wrestling with those two drunken Dutchmen. ;-) -
adv Linguado: 11:49am Feb 1, 2006: Dal bizantino (periodo invasione unna) all'italiano umano e' traducibile facilmente: per la versione in britanno riformato,:) c'e' da lavorarci qualche ora. Contattami via Proz.Com vedemo che se po' fa' :)
Ciao -
skardo: 12:54pm Feb 1, 2006: nope, not telepathic... I noticed "guarentigia" which rang a bell! -
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| | my attempt | Explanation:
Let me begin by saying that IMHO you might well accept adv.Linguado's proposal: archaic Italian is quite full of traps - (your former HELL is nothing compared to this...) - and enrolling the help of a native Italian speaker with the right cultural background can be a good way to go.
Anyway, more for fun than for anything else, I'm trying to offer a starting point.
You should construct the part from "confermando" to "presto" more or less as follows: "confermando (all the above) con un giuramento che qui io presto a mia delazione" - were "presto" is the present tense of the verb "prestare"; "prestare giuramento" means simply "giurare"; and "a mia delazione" should mean something as "under pain of denouncing myself for perjury".
The whole means something like "as sealed by my solemn oath, under pain of perjury to myself" - excuse my bad English, it's just to give you a hint.
I take that the following "e presta toccate le scrittura come di legge e pratica" ends with the name (or quality) of another person who also swears ("presta giuramento") as a witness.
Then, the rest is easy :-)
"toccate le scritture" means "with my hand on the Holy Writ" amd "come di legge e pratica" is something like "as the laws and usual practices request".
Thus the whole (from "confermando...") must be something on the lines of:
as sealed by my own solemn oath, under pain of perjury and confirmed by the oath of XX, made with our hands on the Holy Writ, according to laws and practices
Where XX is the person named or referred to at the end of the sentence (if my hypothesys is correct, of course)
As for Spanish, you probably know that a great part of Italy has long been under Spanish domination or influence, and a certain Italian penchant for orotund verbiage is commonly attributed to that influence (Personally, I suspect it was a 2-way exchange, though...)
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Alfredo Tutino
Italy
| Note from asker to answerer| 4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer |
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| my attempt
Explanation:
Let me begin by saying that IMHO you might well accept adv.Linguado's proposal: archaic Italian is quite full of traps - (your former HELL is nothing compared to this...) - and enrolling the help of a native Italian speaker with the right cultural background can be a good way to go.
Anyway, more for fun than for anything else, I'm trying to offer a starting point.
You should construct the part from "confermando" to "presto" more or less as follows: "confermando (all the above) con un giuramento che qui io presto a mia delazione" - were "presto" is the present tense of the verb "prestare"; "prestare giuramento" means simply "giurare"; and "a mia delazione" should mean something as "under pain of denouncing myself for perjury".
The whole means something like "as sealed by my solemn oath, under pain of perjury to myself" - excuse my bad English, it's just to give you a hint.
I take that the following "e presta toccate le scrittura come di legge e pratica" ends with the name (or quality) of another person who also swears ("presta giuramento") as a witness.
Then, the rest is easy :-)
"toccate le scritture" means "with my hand on the Holy Writ" amd "come di legge e pratica" is something like "as the laws and usual practices request".
Thus the whole (from "confermando...") must be something on the lines of:
as sealed by my own solemn oath, under pain of perjury and confirmed by the oath of XX, made with our hands on the Holy Writ, according to laws and practices
Where XX is the person named or referred to at the end of the sentence (if my hypothesys is correct, of course)
As for Spanish, you probably know that a great part of Italy has long been under Spanish domination or influence, and a certain Italian penchant for orotund verbiage is commonly attributed to that influence (Personally, I suspect it was a 2-way exchange, though...)
:-)
| | Notes to answerer
Asker: Alfredo, what can I say? My hat off to you as I humbly bow in mute yet absolute acquiescence...actually the sentence ends with "pratica", so I've no XX, but I've sent in my "version" anyway with a covering note for this Hellish job (full of typos). Thanks a million for your time!
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