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Italian: fondo patrimoniale

English translation: substratum







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Italian term or phrase:fondo patrimoniale
English translation:substratum
Entered by:Alessandra Renna
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Italian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Linguistics
Italian term or phrase: fondo patrimoniale
I Think I get the meaning ... but how best to translate it?? Any suggestions gratefully received!!

The phrase appears in the following sentence:

In questo mosaico trovano posto termini appartenenti a numerose lingue, termini che si innestano e si integrano, come brevemente vedremo, sul fondo patrimoniale principale della lingua, che è, ovviamente, quello latino.
manducci
Italy
substratum
Explanation:
being acquainted with which languages the text deal with could be useful

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Note added at 20 ore (2007-09-23 11:20:14 GMT)
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Something about latino/ladino
http://guide.dada.net/latino/interventi/2005/06/213054.shtml
Selected response from:

Alessandra Renna
Italy
Note from asker to answerer
Apologies for late grading ... had forgotten this question was still open. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions, especially Umberto.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +2primary historical source or basisAaron Shield
3 +2substratum
Alessandra Renna
4underlying foundation
James (Jim) Davis
4[historical] endowment / patrimonial fund / reservoir
Salloz
4core lexis
Umberto Cassano
4linguistic heritage
Saverio P


  

Answers

23 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
primary historical source or basis

Explanation:
I don't think you can translate this literally. In English we just don't talk about language evolution in this way.

Aaron Shield
United States
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Jim Tucker: good one - a metaphor from the legal sphere - the language's "trust fund"as it were - would prefer "source" to "basis"
7 mins
agree potra: ¥es
1 hr
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40 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
core lexis

Explanation:
That metaphor is best left alone so that you might opt for a proper, technical term (i.e. pertaining to linguistics)

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22CORE+LEXIS%22&hl=en&safe...

HTH

Umberto Cassano
Italy
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 9
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Umberto. Will probably use 'substratum' here but will use your term elsewhere. Note to Jim: this is in fact a linguistic text! It is a fairly academic book on the Friulian language.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral Jim Tucker: Absent here is the idea that Latin is a *source* for the languages in the mosaic; also, the text is not primarily linguistic, but rather archaeological - perhaps even touristic. // exactly; as the text says, Latin *is* the source - we want to imply that
3 mins
  -> We don't even know what language that text is referring to. "Core" does not imply the idea that Latin is a source. Thanks for your feedback, Jim ! Vive le sport...
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
[historical] endowment / patrimonial fund / reservoir

Explanation:
If your text is not highly technical, keep the metaphor as is.

Salloz
Mexico
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral Jim Tucker: if you wanted to go this route, the solution would be "common patrimony", though in the context it comes off as a bit over the top // "endowment" can pretty much only refer to money / just wouldn't work here somehow; would be more obtrusive than in the IT
1 hr
  -> Funny you mention it: I like common patrimony, although I think endowment could be a good solution. Thanks for your comment. // E fondo patrimoniale? É una metáfora, Jim.
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
linguistic heritage

Explanation:
Una possibilità. Buone conferme su Google.

Saverio P
United Kingdom
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
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15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
underlying foundation

Explanation:
"the main underlying foundation of the language" Can't see any probs.

James (Jim) Davis
Italy
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
substratum

Explanation:
being acquainted with which languages the text deal with could be useful

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Note added at 20 ore (2007-09-23 11:20:14 GMT)
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Something about latino/ladino
http://guide.dada.net/latino/interventi/2005/06/213054.shtml

Alessandra Renna
Italy
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 4
Note from asker to answerer
Apologies for late grading ... had forgotten this question was still open. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions, especially Umberto.
Notes to answerer
Asker: The language is Friulian.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Umberto Cassano
33 mins
  -> Grazie, Umberto!
agree Salloz: Pretty good!
2 hrs
  -> Grazie!
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