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English translation: sign & referent (linguistics)

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Italian term or phrase:segno & referente
English translation:sign & referent (linguistics)
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10:34 Jul 31, 2004
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Linguistics / lexicography
Italian term or phrase: il contenuto del segno cat, che non evoca per lui nessun referente
Whole sentence: "nella coppia cat:gatto è portato a vedere in gatto un significato, il contenuto del segno cat, che non evoca per lui nessun referente"

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Local time: 20:58
sign...referent...
Explanation:
I think we're getting into Saussurian semiotics here - for more background go to the first ref below, click on "Sa" then on "De Saussure and semiotics". And in the second reference below, note the use of the word "referent". It would be worth reading as much as you can on Saussure's system of signs, if lots of the text deals with this.

Also is there a "si" missing before "è portato" or is "il lettore" (the reader) missing?

Anyway, I might go for:
"In the pair "cat:gatto" one is inclined to see in "cat" a meaning - the contained in the sign "cat" - that does not evoke for him [the reader] any referent."

Also tricky is that "significato" could be translated as "signifie" (acute accent on last e), which is sometimes used even in English texts in discussions of signs.

Hope this helps!
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Dr Andrew Read
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Local time: 20:58
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Thanks ever so much for all your help, it's been great!
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sign...referent...


Explanation:
I think we're getting into Saussurian semiotics here - for more background go to the first ref below, click on "Sa" then on "De Saussure and semiotics". And in the second reference below, note the use of the word "referent". It would be worth reading as much as you can on Saussure's system of signs, if lots of the text deals with this.

Also is there a "si" missing before "è portato" or is "il lettore" (the reader) missing?

Anyway, I might go for:
"In the pair "cat:gatto" one is inclined to see in "cat" a meaning - the contained in the sign "cat" - that does not evoke for him [the reader] any referent."

Also tricky is that "significato" could be translated as "signifie" (acute accent on last e), which is sometimes used even in English texts in discussions of signs.

Hope this helps!


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    Reference: http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/sem02.html
Dr Andrew Read
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Local time: 20:58
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Thanks ever so much for all your help, it's been great!

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