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当て馬

English translation: a bluff


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Japanese term or phrase:当て馬
English translation:a bluff
Entered by: David Higbee
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01:08 Mar 9, 2011
Japanese to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Business/Commerce (general)
Japanese term or phrase: 当て馬
This is from a document explaining the parts supply decisions of a manufacturing company. Here is the phrase it was taken from:

X社にY社の価格への不信感はなく、Z社の相見積もりはX社内妥当性説明用の当て馬と判明。

I'm having a hard time wording this naturally in English, mostly because of the above term, but basically is this saying that X company really has no problem with Y company's estimate, and it's merely using Z company's estimate (which is presumably higher) in order to justify the first estimate to internal decision makers?

Thanks in advance for your help!
David Higbee
United States
Local time: 18:18
bluff, tentative or stalking quotation
Explanation:
「当て馬」とは相手の様子や手の内を知るために仮に出す手口、モノやヒトという意味で、この場合は見積りにかかっているので上記の訳になりますが、うまく当てはまるように文章を考えたらいいかと思います。
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fumipi829
Local time: 17:18
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Summary of answers provided
3 +4quote for comparison or negotiation purpose
Kyoko Loverin
4 +1bluff, tentative or stalking quotation
fumipi829
4preparatory move/device/manoeuver
Joyce A
3 +1a validation tooltulip bubble


  

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47 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
bluff, tentative or stalking quotation


Explanation:
「当て馬」とは相手の様子や手の内を知るために仮に出す手口、モノやヒトという意味で、この場合は見積りにかかっているので上記の訳になりますが、うまく当てはまるように文章を考えたらいいかと思います。

fumipi829
Local time: 17:18
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agree  Soonthon LUPKITARO(Ph.D.)
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
quote for comparison or negotiation purpose


Explanation:
I think in this scenario Company X already decided to go with Company Y. However, X also asked Z to submit a quote. If Z's price is higher than Y's, no problem. If Z's price is lower than Y's, then X can negotiate with Y using Z's quote.


    Reference: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BD%93%E3%81%A6%E9%A6%AC
Kyoko Loverin
United States
Local time: 20:18
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Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese

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agree  Tomoyuki Kono
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agree  saitoh: The explanation would be correct for this context.
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agree  Hidenori Nakamura
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agree  amydunn8
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
a validation tool


Explanation:
For the meaning of 当て馬, see:
http://zokugo-dict.com/01a/ateuma.htm

I would read the phrase the same way as you do. Z company's estimate was used for the purpose of affirmation of Y company's. It appears that there was an actual estimate from Z, which is not deceptive.

If Z company's estimate was used for the means of bargaining, it would be translated as 'a bargaining tool' instead.

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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Hidetoshi Kudo: actually fits well... No bargaining implied in this text. Just for X's in-house decision making.
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
preparatory move/device/manoeuver


Explanation:
当て馬 is defined as "confronting a mare with a stallion to test readiness to mate" and "preparatory move" (which applies in this case). [Source: Nelson’s Japanese Character Dictionary.

Joyce A
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