天井のほうに飾られてるあれ

English translation: photographic portrait (or portrait) on the top of the wall

01:48 Jun 30, 2004

Japanese to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature

Japanese term or phrase: 天井のほうに飾られてるあれ

This is spoken in a script by Beethoven, who has been miraculously revived and brought to the present time. Can anyone imagine what he is referring to by "天井のほうに飾られてるあれ"?

こんな上機嫌で嬉しそうな私、ベートーベンなんて、私の肖像画やデスマスク、そうそう音楽室の天井のほうに飾られてるあれからは想像もできないでしょうー

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English translation:photographic portrait (or portrait) on the top of the wall

Explanation:
Why's that Beethoven so jolly in the context? I think Ihaya-san's translation mostly tells it.

If you seek for what the phrase refers, I may advise it is definitely a portrait, maybe and mostly a photo-like poster, decorated in alighnment on the top part of a front wall in a music room, at some Japanese schools (from elementary to high schools).

I used to belong to a chorus club at the high school and attended a music room every school day for three years, but somehow I do not remember there were such portraits of composers in there at my school. I vivisted some other schools or watched scenes on TV to be determined that they decorate those portraits representing great composers such as Beethoven at certain schools, though they may have failed to choose very nice ones.

I guess we share different expereinces as to such.

HTH

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Note added at 3 hrs 34 mins (2004-06-30 05:22:49 GMT)
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Somehow I personally never know a school which decorates a ¥"death mask¥" of musicians in a music room. Only photos or portraits. -

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Note added at 4 hrs 1 min (2004-06-30 05:50:05 GMT)
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sorry for typos:
alighnment → alignment
vivisted → visited
expereinces → experiences

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Minoru Kuwahara
Japan
Local time: 10:03

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5 +3

...that thing that's hung up by the ceiling

Manako Ihaya

photographic portrait (or portrait) on the top of the wall

Minoru Kuwahara

Discussion entries: 10

Minoru Kuwahara

Japan

in those western locations might not have come to his mind for design, much less into the kids'. and this Japanese wording (!) i'm afraid i can't find a good example of musician's death mask decorated in Japan, which is to me merely observed in the west.-

06:46 Jul 1, 2004

Minoru Kuwahara

Japan

Ah right, that's excatly what i assumed it is. it may be close to a Japanese animation or manga, but still designed to educate those elementary school kids about western music facts. Initially the author never wrote it just for translation, then, ��y��

06:35 Jul 1, 2004

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06:25 Jul 1, 2004

The age range should be "9-15 or so."

Non-ProZ.com

06:24 Jul 1, 2004

Question 1: Yes the author is Japanese. The setting is a concert hall in Japan to which the "ghosts" of these composers have been summoned.
Question 2: Actually, there is a lot of solid educational material in the script about the composers' lives, philosophies, etc. But there are a lot of jokes too. I would guess the age range is 9-5 or so.

Minoru Kuwahara

Japan

i may think ��y�� still could be used to refer to what Kurt mentions, but considering this is a kind of an instructional tool for kids (see, ROBOT!), ��y�� for such places would be out of my imagination. -

06:12 Jul 1, 2004

Minoru Kuwahara

Japan

i have a few questions to pose: 1. i assume the author of the material is Japanese? is he seeing the setting is in Europe? 2. i also assume this is not seriously educational, but rather comical in characters & dialogues? ��y�� there may sound "unnatural"

05:56 Jul 1, 2004

Kurt Hammond

United States

Yes. I did not think of school music room. I assumed a music room such as those in old european castles or mansions.

05:08 Jul 1, 2004

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Regarding Minoru's Point

05:00 Jul 1, 2004

Thanks Minoru. Do you think it's possible that by "music rooms" they could be referring to other types of rooms besides school music rooms (such as music rooms in aristocratic estates)?

Minoru Kuwahara

Japan

hi anthony, as i commented below, i still find it strange that the decorations in a music calss at a Japanese school setting would have a death mask of musicans. won't u find any clue to know whether it's really there or not? M.-

03:58 Jul 1, 2004

Non-ProZ.com

02:14 Jun 30, 2004

I think it's parsed in the right place, but I suppose "are" could be referring to the previously mentioned portraits and death mask(s).

Answers

42 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

天井のほうに飾られてるあれ ...that thing that's hung up by the ceiling

Explanation:
"Can you believe this is me, on cloud 9, a happy Bethoven? I'll bet you could have never imagined me like this from my portraits or death mask, yes, that thing that's hung up by the ceiling in the music room (at the school)."

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Note added at 50 mins (2004-06-30 02:38:39 GMT)
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\"a jolly Bethoven\" may be even better. ;-)

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Note added at 3 hrs 27 mins (2004-06-30 05:16:06 GMT)
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This of course assumes that everyone can immediately visualize Beethoven\'s portrait.... You know the stern looking one, far from looking \"jolly.\"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pops/listenup/face.html

Manako Ihaya
United States
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天井のほうに飾られてるあれ

photographic portrait (or portrait) on the top of the wall

Minoru Kuwahara
Japan
Local time: 10:03
Native speaker of: Japanese
PRO pts in category: 16

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