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Vas factus est alter eius sistendi.

English translation: A second bondsman was appointed for his appearance in court.

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Latin term or phrase:	Vas factus est alter eius sistendi.
English translation:	A second bondsman was appointed for his appearance in court.
Entered by:	Joseph J. Brazauskas

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08:03 Oct 8, 2008

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Latin term or phrase: Vas factus est alter eius sistendi.

Hi,

"Vas" is always a problem as I'm never sure if it's the same as "praes" or not...

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/cicero/off3.shtml - M. TVLLI CICERONIS DE OFFICIIS LIBER TERTIVS

Many thanks,

Simon

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A second bondsman was appointed for his appearance in court.

Explanation:
'Alter' usually means 'another' in the sense of 'a second, an alernative'.

Here Latin uses the objective genitive ('eius sistendi') where English uses 'for' with the objective.

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Joseph J. Brazauskas
United States
Local time: 01:30

Grading comment

many thanks, excellent as ever; also many thanks to the others for the light they shed on the sentence.
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Summary of answers provided

4 +2

The second one appeared as a guarantoor of his attendance.

Luis Antonio de Larrauri

A second bondsman was appointed for his appearance in court.

Joseph J. Brazauskas

3 +1

not the same

Péter Jutai

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42 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

not the same

Explanation:
Dear Simon,

this is a rather difficult question. Here is a link: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/...

In short: I think the word praes was only used in financial affairs.

P

Péter Jutai
Hungary
Local time: 07:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Hungarian
PRO pts in category: 4

42 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

The second one appeared as a guarantoor of his attendance.

Explanation:
Vas is guarantor, surety
Curiosly enouch, my latin dictionary derives "praes" from a hypothetical "praeves", from "prae" and "vas"

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Note added at 52 mins (2008-10-08 08:55:43 GMT)
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According to my dictionary, praes is one who takes responsibility for other before the State, and vas seems more specific, it is one who guarantees that other will appear before the Court.

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Note added at 54 mins (2008-10-08 08:57:11 GMT)
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Sorry, I wrote "guarantoor" instead of "guarantor"

Luis Antonio de Larrauri
Local time: 07:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 8

2 hrs confidence:

A second bondsman was appointed for his appearance in court.

Explanation:
'Alter' usually means 'another' in the sense of 'a second, an alernative'.

Here Latin uses the objective genitive ('eius sistendi') where English uses 'for' with the objective.

Joseph J. Brazauskas
United States
Local time: 01:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 52

Grading comment

many thanks, excellent as ever; also many thanks to the others for the light they shed on the sentence.

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