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Polish to English translations [PRO] Art/Literary - History / Scouting
Polish term or phrase:nazwy puszczańskie
"...nie zawsze artykuły podpisywane były nazwiskami, a używane były nazwy puszczańskie."
Peter - Just to answer your question about how nicknames were related to forest... well, in my case each troop in the bigger unit ("szczep" = tribe) was named after a particular national park/forest and certain scouts in those troops after meeting certain requirements were honored by receiving special nicknames that were forest-related; for example in my Troop we could receive a name of a particular bison (rare and protected animal) which lived in Bialowieza Forest (because there were so few of them each had a name).... Hope that clarifies it for you. :-) ... and no, I will not tell you my nickname, 'cause those names were seceret -- only a small group of people had them and new them...
Thanks for the offer, geopiet. People often post an answer without knowing the same answer has just been posted. However, unless Khrystene's source text contains examples of the names, and they really are Jungle Book names, I would still consider using 'nicknames'. Where I come from, scouts called each other by nicknames, and to apply a cub name to a scout would have been a serious faux pas.
It's sort of strange that the Polish text uses the word "nazwy" here, not "imiona/przydomki." That would be sound appropriate if it referred to scouting troops rather than to individual members of those troops.
I'm not saying that Kipling influences the names nowadays, just that it was the originator Baden-Powell that was influenced in his naming of groups/positions in Scouting.
I came across "jungle book" link w/o seeing your post. However in order to avoid any suggestions of "foul play" I'm going to remove my answer as soon as you will post yours
I was a member of an American scout troop for two years. They used many weird and wonderful expressions [:-)], but I do not recall the expression 'forest name'. As for Rudyard Kipling, the names of characters from his book were indeed in use, but by cub scouts (in my day, boys from age 8-11). I cannnot be sure now, but I think these were known as 'Jungle Book names'. However, no scout (boys aged 11-16) in his right mind would have wanted to be called by a Jungle Book name.
It seems the forest connection in Polish (nazwy puszczańskie) may not have as much to do with Kipling's jungle book as it does in English: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puszczaństwo
The names apparently come from Rudyard Kipling's "Jungle book", according to http://www.usscouts.org/profbvr/jungle_book/ hence their being called Forest names. Though I have also found the term Scouting Names.
are we talking about 70 KDH by any chance?... If so it was my troop... :-)
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scouting names
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"In some countries the scouts get a scouting name when they are joining a scout group. In our hierarchy it is allowed to use the scouting name instead of the real name."
Piotr Czyżewski Poland Local time: 05:58 Works in field Native speaker of: Polish PRO pts in category: 3
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Three Kudos as it's not quite the answer, but did help. :)
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Asker: Though this isn't exactly the name I will use, but a version of it, I am going to award you the Kudos as your answer led me directly to the answer. Thanks also for your contribution to the discussion.
I was an enthusiastic member of the organisation for many years. I do not recall ever hearing terms like 'forest name'. However, many of the boys had nicknames which were used only by other scouts from his troop, and only during scout activities. These nicknames were almost always different from the ones used at school. So two scouts from the same troop would call each other by different nicknames at school and at scout meetings. These names were called 'nicknames'. In the attached links you will find the term 'scouting nickname'.
Peter Nicholson Poland Local time: 05:58 Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 4
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Asker: This term seems to be specific to Polish Scouting Abroad organisations so I won't simply use nickname, though it may be completely appropriate in other ways. Thank you for your contribution to the discussion!
mdarron United States Local time: 23:58 Native speaker of: Polish
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Asker: Thank you for your contribution both here and to the discussion, it's been very useful and although I'm planning on using a version of what you've written, I'd already posted it up in the discussion after looking at another entry, so sorry, but I won't be giving you the kudos.
Asker: (PS: I also can't split the kudos, though I would've. Thanks again!)
Explanation: BSA Cub Scouting has drawn upon the adventure and lore of the Native American, just as Seton's Native American lore influenced Boy Scouting; but a strong influence from Kipling's Jungle Book still remains. The words "Law of the Pack," "Akela," "Wolf Cub," " Grand Howl,""den," and "pack" all come from the Jungle Book. The gold and silver arrows, Webelos, and Arrow of Light are taken from our Native American heritage.
Jungle Book Names
The following may be of interest to Scouters not familiar with the Jungle Book nomenclature. It is a table of accepted pronunciations obtained from All the Mowgli Stories; Doubleday, 1936 and from Dee LaRock. These names are used in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and many other countries.
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