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19:18 Dec 19, 2008
Portuguese to English translations [PRO] Livestock / Animal Husbandry
Portuguese term or phrase:estancieiro
We are translating a historical Brazilian book which utilises the term "estancieiro". We don't like the word rancher as a translation and are searching for something better. The word can be seen in its original context in the following sentence: Ela era filha de um rico estancieiro que vivia nas imediações.
Explanation: This is one solution that we used to use at the Organization of American States. 16,400 references. Presumably they "do" something on these vast landholdings - i.e. ranching.
Note that "rancher" can imply huge landholdings - look at the King Ranch in Texas (825,000 acres, 24,000 km2). Unfortunately, "large rancher" refers to a large ranch-style home.
Examples of "large landholder":
LARGE LANDHOLDER DEAD.; Earl Howe Had 33700 Acres -- An Ancestor ...
LONDON, Sept. 26.-Earl Howe (Richard William Penn Curzon-Howe) is dead. He was the third Earl, and had been Lord Lieutenant of Leicestershire since 1888. ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B12FD3C5B11738DDDAE0A94D1405B808C
Nov 2, 2007 ... In 1784 George Washington, famous Indian fighter, large landholder and slave owner, advised the Continental Congress that it would be ...
fusilier.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/washington-indian-fighter-large-landholder-slave-owner/ -
involved in activities to denounce the large-landholder system and in favour of agrarian reform. In honour of the 19 landless people ... www.landaction.org/display.php?article=77
A large-landholder model was promoted by modernising large landowners. A medium- landholder model was advanced by promoters of European immigration and urban ...
journals.cambridge.org/abstract_S0022216X98005082
THE LARGE LANDHOLDER PATRON SUPPLIED A PROTECTED, SELF-SUFFICIENT VILLAGE, SUPPORTED THE CHURCH, AND PROVIDED THE NECESSITIES OF LIFE FOR HIS PEONS. ...
eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/recordDetail?accno=ED013150
After a meeting with author, he has left the final choice up to us. Your answer most clearly represents the idea he is trying to express 4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer
Thanks Maria, I may just take your advice on this. Sounds very sensible to me. Fortunately we are having a meeting with the author next week and I think we will suggest just that.
However, Wikipedia talks about the hacienda system also in relation to BR and AR, have a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacienda. If I were you I would just leave it as estanciero.
Scott, if you don't like any of terms below, why not use simply 'estanciero' to give a little exotic flavor to your text? I think I've seen this before in English texts. You could also use the owner of a large hacienda, but this rings so Mexican to me.
I should have mentioned that this text refers to the Gaúchos in Rio Grande Do Sul in a historical context. We are trying to use "cowboy" style language to give a similar feeling to the specific Gaúcho terms. That's why we thought of ranchers, but this lacked the grand sense of scale of the original.
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farmer
Explanation: :)
Clauwolf Local time: 09:21 Native speaker of: Portuguese PRO pts in category: 12
Notes to answerer
Asker: I agree with the peer comment, estancieiro specifically relates to a large property owner
PDF] UNIVERSIDADE FEDERAL DO RIO GRANDE DO SUL FACULDADE DE CIÊNCIAS ... - [ Translate this page ]File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
who are basically beef cattle breeders and rely mainly on their families for ... family cattle breeders). The second type identified is mostly composed of ... www.bibliotecadigital.ufrgs.br/da.php?nrb=000392935&loc=200...
Marlene Curtis United States Local time: 07:21 Native speaker of: Portuguese PRO pts in category: 31
Notes to answerer
Asker: This is ironic! The author of the book is a maths professor at that university!
Explanation: This is one solution that we used to use at the Organization of American States. 16,400 references. Presumably they "do" something on these vast landholdings - i.e. ranching.
Note that "rancher" can imply huge landholdings - look at the King Ranch in Texas (825,000 acres, 24,000 km2). Unfortunately, "large rancher" refers to a large ranch-style home.
Examples of "large landholder":
LARGE LANDHOLDER DEAD.; Earl Howe Had 33700 Acres -- An Ancestor ...
LONDON, Sept. 26.-Earl Howe (Richard William Penn Curzon-Howe) is dead. He was the third Earl, and had been Lord Lieutenant of Leicestershire since 1888. ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B12FD3C5B11738DDDAE0A94D1405B808C
Nov 2, 2007 ... In 1784 George Washington, famous Indian fighter, large landholder and slave owner, advised the Continental Congress that it would be ...
fusilier.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/washington-indian-fighter-large-landholder-slave-owner/ -
involved in activities to denounce the large-landholder system and in favour of agrarian reform. In honour of the 19 landless people ... www.landaction.org/display.php?article=77
A large-landholder model was promoted by modernising large landowners. A medium- landholder model was advanced by promoters of European immigration and urban ...
journals.cambridge.org/abstract_S0022216X98005082
THE LARGE LANDHOLDER PATRON SUPPLIED A PROTECTED, SELF-SUFFICIENT VILLAGE, SUPPORTED THE CHURCH, AND PROVIDED THE NECESSITIES OF LIFE FOR HIS PEONS. ...
eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/recordDetail?accno=ED013150
Muriel Vasconcellos United States Local time: 04:21 Works in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 60
Grading comment
After a meeting with author, he has left the final choice up to us. Your answer most clearly represents the idea he is trying to express
Explanation: I think it sounds good to use "she was the daughter of a rich cattle stock owner".
I think it is important that the reader knows that he owns cattle because it embeds the precise concept of what kind of farmer, what kind of landowner he is; cattle ranch owners have different challenges from say, sugar cane farmers, so it is important to keep this information. I am not a big fan of keeping the original word with inverted commas, because the reader is left with a sense of exotism (yes) but unclear about the meaning, unless of course the rest of the story provides an opportunity for clarification.
Lidia Saragaço Portugal Local time: 12:21 Native speaker of: English, Portuguese
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you very much for your contribution. Boas festas
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