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08:41 Apr 25, 2002
Portuguese to English translations [PRO] / agriculture, rural microfinance
Portuguese term or phrase:agricultura patronal ??
Hi,
I hope you can help me out on this one...
I'm working on a French to English translation and the author of the chapter on Latin America refers frequently to large landed estates and "agriculture patronale"... my French colleagues thought that the term was a carry-over from Spanish. But the Spanish list thinks its Portuguese.
But since none of speak either Spanish or Portugese, we're a bit stuck...
Is "agricultura patronal" a real term? If so, does anyone know what it refers to exactly and what the English term would be? (The most likely suggestions from the Spanish list so far are: corporate farming or tenant farming...)
Explanation: as opposed to "agricultura familiar"; definitely Portuguese, common thing in Brazil
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Lara, I don?t speak French, so I?m not sure if I can help you. But as I understand it, there are 3 things: agricultura familiar (the land is owned and worked by one family), agricultura patronal (somebody owns the land, but other people do the work there); and then there are the latifundios, extremely large farms and thus not familiar, but patronal.
Anyway ? good luck, maybe somebody from Brazil will join the discussion!
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Lara, I don?t speak French, so I?m not sure if I can help you. But as I understand it, there are 3 things: agricultura familiar (the land is owned and worked by one family), agricultura patronal (somebody owns the land, but other people do the work there); and then there are the latifundios, extremely large farms and thus not familiar, but patronal.
Anyway ? good luck, maybe somebody from Brazil will join the discussion!
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Lara, I don?t speak French, so I?m not sure if I can help you. But as I understand it, there are 3 things: agricultura familiar (the land is owned and worked by one family), agricultura patronal (somebody owns the land, but other people do the work there); and then there are the latifundios, extremely large farms and thus not familiar, but patronal.
Anyway ? good luck, maybe somebody from Brazil will join the discussion!
I've managed to get a bit more input on this term. According to a colleague (but not a translator), the concept of "agricultura patronal" is a Latin America concept that is not very clearly (if at all) present in the French and English conceptual frameworks. Given the source text, I've been told that it is 100% certain that it is not "peasant farming". But the definition supplied in the note by WH is fairly close ("somebody owns the land, but other people do the work there")...
Explanation: as opposed to "agricultura familiar"; definitely Portuguese, common thing in Brazil
-------------------------------------------------- Note added at 2002-04-25 10:13:02 (GMT) --------------------------------------------------
Lara, I don?t speak French, so I?m not sure if I can help you. But as I understand it, there are 3 things: agricultura familiar (the land is owned and worked by one family), agricultura patronal (somebody owns the land, but other people do the work there); and then there are the latifundios, extremely large farms and thus not familiar, but patronal.
Anyway ? good luck, maybe somebody from Brazil will join the discussion!
-------------------------------------------------- Note added at 2002-04-25 10:18:56 (GMT) --------------------------------------------------
Lara, I don?t speak French, so I?m not sure if I can help you. But as I understand it, there are 3 things: agricultura familiar (the land is owned and worked by one family), agricultura patronal (somebody owns the land, but other people do the work there); and then there are the latifundios, extremely large farms and thus not familiar, but patronal.
Anyway ? good luck, maybe somebody from Brazil will join the discussion!
-------------------------------------------------- Note added at 2002-04-25 10:29:25 (GMT) --------------------------------------------------
Lara, I don?t speak French, so I?m not sure if I can help you. But as I understand it, there are 3 things: agricultura familiar (the land is owned and worked by one family), agricultura patronal (somebody owns the land, but other people do the work there); and then there are the latifundios, extremely large farms and thus not familiar, but patronal.
Anyway ? good luck, maybe somebody from Brazil will join the discussion!
Wiebke Herbig Germany Local time: 07:27 Native speaker of: German PRO pts in pair: 33
Grading comment
Thank you all--yet another question where I'd prefer to give points to multiple answers since a number of your answers ended up helping...
1 hr confidence: peer agreement (net): +1
estate farming // tenant farming // serfdom // Agriculture by large landowners
Explanation: i think estate farming gives the best idea of what you're talikng about since this implies large landowners hide-bound by tradition and set against modernization.
Tenant farming is a variant of this, where the farmers themselves don't own the land but must pay rent whether or not they produce. They are also unlikely to have access to modern machinery and only farm small-scale.
All this came, of course out of the serf system.
"Agriculture by large landowners" would also solve your problem.
Theodore Fink Local time: 01:27 Native speaker of: English, Portuguese PRO pts in pair: 337
Explanation: I don't even know whether the term exists in English. But that's what came to my mind. "patronal" usually refers to employer (patrão) not only as a person (boss) but also as the company that employs people. For example "sindicato patronal" is the trade union that congragates the companies/corporations/firms and not the one that congregates the employees (sindicato dos empregados "union of the employees of such and such field). I infere that "agricultura patronal" would be that which is carried out by a company, not by a family and not by a landowner (an individual) and his employees. Manah (a company that produces fertilizers and has been bought by a multinational company recently) owns many farms in Mato Grosso, Brazil. There are many other big companies that are dedicated to farming in Brazil. Hope it helps.
Ana Rita Santiago Local time: 03:27 Native speaker of: Portuguese PRO pts in pair: 190
Explanation: In Brazil, we have the so-called bóias frias (daily field-workers, who eat cold meals (called bóias frias) that they bring with them to the field. So the agricultural employers have these 'bóias-frias' and some resident workers working for them, supervised by inspectors and managers. Agricultural employers have a strong concentration of earnings and social exclusion, whereas the family agricultural sector shows a somewhat distributive profile and is much better in social cultural aspects. The concentration of profits and complete disregard for their daily workers has stirred up quite a controversy (Reforma Agrária for one).
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peer agreement (net): +2
