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English translation: wailer

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Romanian term or phrase:	bocitoare
English translation:	wailer
Entered by:	Sasori

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08:38 Apr 10, 2009

Romanian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Folklore

Romanian term or phrase: bocitoare

La capul mortului stateau trei bocitoare.

Alina Oglan KudoZ activity Questions: 50 (2 open) Answers: 0
Local time: 01:38

wailer

Explanation:
o alta varianta

a mourner who utters long loud high-pitched cries
sinonime: griever, lamenter, mourner, sorrower - a person who is feeling grief
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wailer

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cred că wailer exprimă mai bine ideea de bocitoare, cea care jeluieşte cu strigăte, cu vaiete...

conf aceluiaşi dicţionar de mai sus mourner e pur şi simplu a person who is feeling grief.

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A debut novel about a young girl at the center of the secret world of professional mourners, where women are trained extensively and paid handsomely to attend the funerals of strangers.

Mem is a ***wailer***, a professional mourner hired to cry at funerals.
http://www.powells.com/biblio?show=trade paper:sale:97815969...

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Kethuboth 4.4 is the most often cited Mishnah by commentators in reference to Matt 9.23: “Rabbi Judah says, ‘Even the poorest [man] in Israel must not furnish less than two flutes [i.e., flute players] and one woman ***wailer*** [at the funeral of his wife].”
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=1042

Selected response from:

Sasori
Romania
Local time: 01:38

Grading comment

Multumesc!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +6

wailer

Sasori

3 +5

mourner

Florina-Livia Angheluta

professional keener

Hezy Mor

Howler

ELLA IACOB

weeper

Ştefania Iordan

Summary of reference entries provided
Professional mourners / Wailers	Anca Nitu

Discussion entries: 1

Answers

5 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +5

mourner

Explanation:
Parerea mea....

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http://www.dictionarromanenglez.ro/dictionar/bocitoare

am gasit aici si WAILER sau LAMENTER....

Florina-Livia Angheluta
Local time: 01:38
Native speaker of: Romanian

15 mins confidence:

professional keener

Explanation:
Asa as zice eu. Sunt aparitii pe Google

Hezy Mor
Local time: 01:38
Native speaker of:

Hebrew

16 mins confidence:

weeper

Explanation:
hired mourner

http://www.yourdictionary.com/weeper
weeper (wē′pər)

noun

a person who weeps, esp. habitually
a hired mourner , as, formerly, at a funeral

O alta varianta.

Ştefania Iordan
Romania
Local time: 01:38
Native speaker of:

Romanian
PRO pts in category: 44

6 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +6

wailer

Sasori
Romania
Local time: 01:38
Native speaker of:

Romanian
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Multumesc!

45 mins confidence:

Howler

Explanation:
Si toate denumirile de mai sus sunt precise.

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Howlers - la plural

ELLA IACOB
United Kingdom
Local time: 23:38
Native speaker of:

Romanian,

Moldavian

Reference comments

1 day13 hrs

Reference: Professional mourners / Wailers

Reference information:
Professional mourners were widely used in ancient Greece, Rome, and the Middle East, and the practice held strong in many countries through the Middle Ages and, in some countries, even into the present day. Many saw professional mourners as a crucial part of the ceremony of loss. Like hired event planners, mourners applied their expertise to a practice that might otherwise fall into chaos. Of course, the bereaved were capable of grieving by themselves, but the professional mourner helped them to marshal and coordinate their expressions of grief. Among Spanish Jews in the 14th century, the hired mourner made her position as coordinator of grief more than metaphorical, by accompanying her wailing with a rhythm-setting tambourine.

BOCÍ, bocesc, vb. IV. Intranz. şi refl. A plânge tare (cu vaiete şi strigăte). ♦ Tranz. A recita bocete la înmormântarea cuiva. – Din boace (înv. şi reg. „voce” < lat
http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=bocit

ritualul bocitului consta in recitarea de bocete nu in racnete de durere

Alte referinte:
Bocitul "profesionist"

Ce înseamnă, însă, această tradiţie şi cum ar fi ea de explicat? "Sunt sate unde e o ruşine pentru familie ca mortul să nu fie bocit, ritualul fiind o îndatorire faţă de cel ce a plecat dintre vii şi care trebuie orientat pe calea cea bună prin versurile funebre. De aceea, dacă cei rămaşi în urma defunctului nu au voce frumoasă sau nu ştiu boci, aceştia roagă o bocitoare <<profesionistă>> să ajute familia, preluând în numele lor această îndatorire sătească", afirmă profesorul Ioan Cuceu, de la Arhiva de Folclor a Academiei Române.
http://old.clujeanul.ro/general/afisare_articol.php?id_obiec...

http://www.click.ro/Special/bocitoare-de-meserie

Bocetul consta ( depinde de regiune) intr-un cantec de jale sau o descriere mai mult sau mai putin versificata a calitatilor definctului (ei)

http://sacred-texts.com/etc/fcod/fcod07.htm
Wailer

Women are more given to the display of emotional grief than is common amongst men, and they have for this reason been much in demand as "wailers"; in this capacity their professional shrieks have echoed down the ages. A generation ago they were frequently to be heard on the Continent, in Wales and Ireland. They too had followed the Greek and Roman to his tomb, ****crying and beating their breasts (for suitable remuneration)****, lest the attitude of studied self -repression, considered a correct deportment for mourners of rank, might be misinterpreted by the dead, who were believed to be ever ready to avenge the slightest sign of indifference on the part of those they left behind them

Wailers par sa fie o subclasa de "bocitoare" insarcinate numai cu "jeluire" mortului nu si cu "laudatul" dar diferenta cred ca e minima si e posibil ca amandoua notiunile sa se confunde

Anca Nitu
Canada
Native speaker of:

Romanian
PRO pts in category: 3

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Changes made by editors

Apr 10, 2009 - Changes made by Maria Diaconu:
Field	Science => Art/Literary
Field (specific)	Law (general) => Folklore
Apr 10, 2009 - Changes made by Sasori:
Created KOG entry	KudoZ term => KOG term

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