decadere (termen in decadere)

21:27 Mar 24, 2007

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Romanian to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general)

Romanian term or phrase: decadere (termen in decadere)

Decaderea consta fie în stingerea dreptului de restituire în natură sau prin echivalent a imobilelor preluate cu titlu valabil, fie în pierderea a însuşi dreptului de proprietate a fostului proprietar şi, pe cale de consecinţă, şi a dreptului de a mai formula, potrivit dreptului comun, acţiunea în revendicare a bunului preluat de stat fără nici un titlu. MERCI.

siminagheorghe KudoZ activity Questions: 231 (8 open) (12 closed without grading) Answers: 47
Local time: 20:51

Summary of answers provided

forfeiture of property

Emil Eugen Pop

peremption (peremptive period)

Andreea Craciun

extinguishment

Simon Charass

5 -1

termination of rights

Bogdan Burghelea

forfeiture of the term

silvia karen

deprivation of rights

Vertrad

4 -2

foreclosure (land mortgage); defeasance/lapse (of rights)

Adrian MM. (X)

Discussion entries: 11

siminagheorghe

ASKER

merci tuturor

09:18 Mar 27, 2007

Multumesc tuturor pt. sugestii. Vad ca acest termen a starnit multe controverse. Din pacate, au afirmat si avocatii ca nu exista o echivalenta de 100%.
Pt. Silvia: Din pacate, eu nu sunt avocat si in consecinta nu imi pot da cu pararea asupra sensului, cu atat mai putin nu pot da definitii. Tot ce pot face este sa dau contextul in care este folosit termenul, ceea ce am si facut.
Succes si numai bine.

silvia karen

France

09:12 Mar 27, 2007

Bună Simina, poate ar fi mai simplu să oferi explicaţia termenului de tradus în limba engleză, într-o notă de subsol, pentru a evita pe viitor orice ambiguitate cu privire la sensul termenului folosit.

Anca Nitu

19:15 Mar 26, 2007

forfeit
/forfit/

• verb (forfeited, forfeiting) 1 lose or be deprived of (property or a right or privilege) as a penalty for wrongdoing. 2 lose or give up as a necessary consequence
Oxford Online dictionary
inca o data cer scuze de poliloghie :)

Anca Nitu

19:12 Mar 26, 2007

Domaine(s) : - law

anglais
français

forfeiture
confiscation n. f.
din granddictionaire

Anca Nitu

19:12 Mar 26, 2007

Main Entry: for·fei·ture
Pronunciation: 'for-f&-"chur, -ch&r, -"t(y)ur
Function: noun
1 : the act of forfeiting : the loss of property or money because of a breach of a legal obligation
Merriam-Webster

Anca Nitu

19:10 Mar 26, 2007

avand in vedere discutia cu privire la "forfeiture" cer scuze siminei pt lungimea explicatiei dar tin sa fac un punct din a explica d-lui Burghelea si celor care ar fi interesati ca nu inseamna neaparat renuntare
Silvia Karen a adaugat si ea o explicatie

Adrian MM. (X)

18:52 Mar 26, 2007

It seems to be termination - but stingerea is literally extinguish the rights, as in Simon's answer. In Eng. law termination or 'determination' of a lease still leaves contract remedies intact - rescission doesn't: literally back to square one.

Simon Charass

Canada

18:21 Mar 25, 2007

We are all looking forward to Mr. Burghelea's answer.

Bogdan Burghelea

Romania

17:09 Mar 25, 2007

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/454452

siminagheorghe

ASKER

raspuns

21:39 Mar 24, 2007

Nu, traduc o opinie legala cu f. multe citate din cursuri de drept. Aveti vreo sugestie?????????????

Bogdan Burghelea

Romania

21:36 Mar 24, 2007

Traduceţi un curs de drept?

Answers

29 mins confidence:

forfeiture of property

Explanation:
loss (forfeiture) of a right

Reference: http://www.mscode.com/free/statutes/63/025/0009.htm

Emil Eugen Pop
Local time: 20:51
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Romanian
PRO pts in category: 4

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -2

decaderea foreclosure (land mortgage); defeasance/lapse (of rights)

Explanation:
Defeasance is a term unpopular with translators & interpreters, but popular with insurance agents and lawyers.

Termination already in the glossary is unusual for rights - commoner for a contract i.e. of a lease etc.

NB the transitive verbs: the 'equity of redemption' of a mortgage is forcelosed and rights or interests are defeated but, intransitively, lapse.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-03-24 23:42:28 GMT)
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of a mortgage is foreclosed...

Example sentence(s):

defeasance - definition of defeasance - A provision in an instrument that nullifies it if specified acts are performed.
Foreclosure is the legal proceeding in which a bank or other secured creditor sells or repossesses a parcel of real property (immovable property) due to the owner's failure to comply with an agreement between the lender and borrower called a "mortgage" or

Reference: http://www.proz.com/?sp=gloss/term&id=1043379
Reference: http://www.investorwords.com/1352/defeasance.html

Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 19:51
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 190

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

disagree

Bogdan Burghelea: I'm sorry, but foreclosure is thightly connected to the mortgagor's rights, whilst "decădere" is one's own failure to fulfill a legal (not contractual) obligation. "Decădere" has nothing to do with nullification (as described in your example).

6 hrs

-> It's linked to a mortgagee's/lienee's rights .'Defeasance' is right in all Romance lingos//The Rom quote says extinguishing a right of restitution in kind, not breach of a stat. duty/contempt of court: www.proz.com/kudoz/1046896 cf. ademption of legacy.

disagree

Anca Nitu: "foreclosure" doesn't fit the context at all/ I think it is wrong to assume anything more than I actually said but since you seem to want my opinion, definitely not ademption, no to lapse and close but no cigar:) to defeasance

1 day 17 hrs

-> I'll assume then that, like Bogdan, you agree with defeasance, lapse or ademption.

40 mins confidence:

extinguishment

Explanation:
- 1 a (1) : to bring to an end : make an end; to cause to be void : NULLIFY <extinguish a claim> [Merriam Webster]

- 2. to put an end to or bring to an end; [American Heritage Dictionary]

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Note added at 20 hrs (2007-03-25 18:15:59 GMT)
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Linkul de mai sus arata folosira termenului in "real estate" intr-o situatie identica cu cea presentata in intrebare pusa.

Reference: http://www.google.com/custom?domains=www.duhaime.org&q=extin...

Simon Charass
Canada
Local time: 13:51
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

French
PRO pts in category: 28

20 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

termination of rights

Explanation:
Pentru că nu este răspunsul meu, vă rog să nu acordaţi puncte sau acordaţi minimum posibil.

Since it is not my answer, athough I totally agree to this translation, please don't grade my answer or grade it with the lowest grade.

Reference: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/454452

Bogdan Burghelea
Romania
Local time: 20:51
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Romanian,

German
PRO pts in category: 111

11 hrs confidence:

forfeiture of the term

Explanation:
Forfeiture is a broad term that can be used to describe any loss of property without compensation.
http://www.answers.com/topic/forfeiture

Conform DEX:
Decădere din drepturi = lipsire a unei persoane de unele din drepturile sale civile sau politice ca urmare a săvârşirii anumitor infracţiuni.

Pentru definiţia juridică vezi: http://www.rubinian.com/dictionar_detalii.php?id=1544

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Note added at 19 ore (2007-03-25 16:54:20 GMT)
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Încă un exemplu de frază:

11.05 (1) No order may be made under section 11.02 staying or restraining the exercise of any right to terminate, amend or claim any accelerated payment, or a *forfeiture of the term*, under an eligible financial contract.
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Do...

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Note added at 1 zi11 ore (2007-03-26 08:31:10 GMT)
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Decăderea nu este simpla stingere a unui drept, ea reprezintă o sancţiune de drept civil. Cred că aceasta este esenţa decăderii şi de aceea am încercat să ofer un echivalent adecvat din dreptul englez.

Example sentence(s):

Acceleration coupled with forfeiture of the term is generally a penalty
[W]here the breach of the tenant's covenant causing forfeiture of the term is due to excusable accident or mistake, this may constitute ground for equitable relief under the general power of equity to grant relief in the case of accident or mistake.

silvia karen
France
Local time: 19:51
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Romanian
PRO pts in category: 48

2742 days confidence:

peremption (peremptive period)

Explanation:
Din cate stiu, exista o traducere exacta pentru decadere, si anume "peremption". Citez din Codul Civil al Louisianei (stat american care a pastrat sistemul de drept continental-francez): "A period of time fixed by law for the existence of a right" (art.3458). Cf. Louisiana Civil Law Dictionary (Gregory W. Rome, Stephan Kinsella), unlike liberative prescription, which merely prevents the enforcement of a right by judicial action, peremption extinguishes the rights itself." A se vedea de asemenea http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/Peremption.aspx

Reference: http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/Peremption.aspx

Andreea Craciun
Romania
Local time: 20:51
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Romanian

6022 days confidence:

deprivation of rights

Explanation:
Deprivation of rights under color of law is a federal criminal charge that is sometimes used against the police and other law enforcement officers when they allegedly use their power to violate another person's rights under the United States Constitution.

Vertrad
Romania
Local time: 20:51
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Romanian

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