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English translation: Same meat, different gravy

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Romanian term or phrase:	Aceeaşi Mărie cu altă pălărie
English translation:	Same meat, different gravy
Entered by:	Mihaela Buruiana

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12:36 Jan 25, 2012

Romanian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Other / proverbe

Romanian term or phrase: Aceeaşi Mărie cu altă pălărie

Ştie cineva (repede) vreun echivalent în engleză al proverbului de mai sus?
Am găsit numai în franceză: "la même Jeannette autrement coiffée".
Mulţumesc.

Mihaela Buruiana KudoZ activity Questions: 54 (1 open) (1 without valid answers) (4 closed without grading) Answers: 176 Romania
Local time: 06:47

Same meat, different gravy

Explanation:
Cred că ar fi zicala cea mai apropiată ca sens.

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Note added at 20 hrs (2012-01-26 09:24:37 GMT)
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THE ANGLO SAXON CHRONICLE

„Same meat, different gravy

EU leaders admit the new treaty is just the same as the rejected EU Constitution.

“They haven’t changed the substance - 90 per cent of it is still there.” – Bertie Ahern, Irish Taoiseach

“Only cosmetic changes have been made and the basic document remains the same.” – Vaclav Klaus, Czech President

“This text is, in fact, a rerun of a great part of the substance of the Constitutional Treaty.” – Valery Giscard d’Estaing, Author of the European Constitution.”

http://saxontimes.blogspot.com/2008/03/same-meat-different-g...

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Florin_
Romania
Local time: 06:47

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Same meat, different gravy

Florin_

six of one and half a dozen of the other

Darius Daniel Grigoras

Discussion entries: 11

Darius Daniel Grigoras

19:48 Jan 26

poate ar fi bine ca la traducerea ptr. idiomul ăsta să incluzi toate cele patru răspunsuri, despărțite de "/", sau pe cel pe care vorbitorul nativ la primit cel mai bine

mihaela.

Canada

Same Pat, different hat

19:12 Jan 26

... varianta sugerata de ca catre un vorbitor de engleza. Mi-a explicat cum ca "same meat, different gravy" e o expresie pretentioasa si rar folosita. Mult mai des intalnite sunt, din pacate, variantele "colocviale", precum cea cu ... flies. Incercand eu sa explic ce anume doresc, am facut traducerea directa (pe cea cu Mary) si am starnit hohote de ras. Dupa care a venit replica: let's try some rhyme here... si uite-asa a aparut varianata cu Pat.
Not too bad, actually ... Cica suna bine si reda si mai bine ideea.

Mihaela Buruiana

Romania

ASKER

16:24 Jan 26

Mulţumesc tuturor. :)

Sangro

Diferente

09:50 Jan 26

Cu ortografia: "same meat different gravy"

Darius Daniel Grigoras

diferențe

08:55 Jan 26

"Same meat different gravey" pare un idiom mai recent, nefiind încă înregistrat de Dicționarul Oxford, spre deosebire de "six of one and half a dozen of the other" (http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/six). Încadrate între ghilimele, cele două expresii prezintă următoarele rezultate:
"six of one and half a dozen of the other oxford" = 230.000 ocurențe
"same meat different gravey" = 37.200 ocurențe
Însă, trebuie să recunosc că idiomul "same meat different gravey" e mai apropiat ca formă, conținut și nivel de rafinare. "Six of one and have a dozen of the other" pare a fi un idiom mai elevat, spre deosebire de "Aceeași Mărie cu altă pălărie". Mai sunt și altele, și mai puțin rafinate: "same shit, with different flies on it."

Sangro

In ebraica...

18:50 Jan 25

..."aceeasi doamna cu o alta haina" :-)

Claudia Coja

13:06 Jan 25

am mai intalnit si expresia "same old Jane" dar nu stiu in ce masura reda complet sensul...

Claudia Coja

same Mary, different hat

12:57 Jan 25

reda sensul din romana, cred ca asa cum se intampla "furculisioane" din engleza in romana, se poate intampla si in directia inversa, atata timp cat in limba tinta nu exista expresie echivalenta, si s-a simtit nevoia unui soi de calchiere.

Mihaela Buruiana

Romania

ASKER

12:53 Jan 25

Îmi trebuie ceva mai elaborat şi mai literar decât "same difference", iar despre "Same Mary, different hat" aveam impresia că-i furculision. Poate nu e...

Ilona Roberts

"same difference"

12:43 Jan 25

e mai degraba expresie idiomatica (si nu proverb), nu?; echivalentul in Engleza cred ca ar fi "same difference"

Claudia Coja

Same Mary, different hat ?

12:42 Jan 25

http://www.google.de/search?q=same mary different &ie=utf-8&...
http://www.thechronicleofphilanthropy.info/forums/index.php?...

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10 hrs confidence:

six of one and half a dozen of the other

Explanation:
There is no difference; they are the same thing; one is the
same as the other.

Reference: http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Six+of+one+and+half+a+do...

Darius Daniel Grigoras
Local time: 06:47
Native speaker of:

Romanian

17 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

Same meat, different gravy

Florin_
Romania
Local time: 06:47
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