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вертоград

English translation: Vineyard OR orchard

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Russian term or phrase:вертоград
English translation:Vineyard OR orchard
Entered by: Olga Simon

12:42 Mar 15, 2002
Russian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary
Russian term or phrase: вертоград
Не диво ль дивное, что вертоград нам снится

Где реют голуби в горячей синеве,

Что православные крюки поет черница:

Успенье нежное - Флоренция в Москве.
ananiko
Local time: 15:16
Vineyard OR orchard
Explanation:
По словарю Даля "вертоград" - то плодовый сад или виноградник.

ВЕРТОГРАД м. церк. сад, особ. плодовый; виноградник

Поэтому предлагаю "Vineyard" или "Orchard" - по тексту.

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Старорусский вариант, употребляемый в основном церковной братией (опять же по Далю).
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Olga Simon
Hungary
Local time: 16:16
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Summary of answers provided
4 +9Vineyard OR orchard
Olga Simon
5 +3'garden " or its synonim
evm
4 +3Holy garden
nattash
4 +1paradise/paradis (Not Paradise!)
xeni (X)
4согласен с evm
Alexander Alexandrov
2 +1Flower garden or herbarium
Jack Doughty


  

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Vineyard OR orchard


Explanation:
По словарю Даля "вертоград" - то плодовый сад или виноградник.

ВЕРТОГРАД м. церк. сад, особ. плодовый; виноградник

Поэтому предлагаю "Vineyard" или "Orchard" - по тексту.

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Note added at 2002-03-15 13:00:32 (GMT)
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Старорусский вариант, употребляемый в основном церковной братией (опять же по Далю).

Olga Simon
Hungary
Local time: 16:16
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in pair: 465
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agree  Olena Kurashova: Absolutely right!
9 mins
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agree  David Mitchell: Incidentally, Dal' is one of the great sources of obscure local plant names for botanical translations...
36 mins
  -> That's interesting. Did not know that. Thank you for your support!
agree  Yelena.
58 mins
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agree  Timur Nakashidze
1 hr
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agree  Tatiana Neroni (X)
2 hrs
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agree  FridaBokh
11 hrs
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agree  Alexandra Tussing
13 hrs
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agree  Ira Parsons
19 hrs
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
'garden " or its synonim


Explanation:
"Vertograd" means "garden". It is old and poetic form. May be you will succeed to find the exact word.

evm
PRO pts in pair: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Marta Argat: Often used in Grigory Skovoroda (18th century) works
6 mins
agree  Alexander Alexandrov: Оксфордский словарь так и переводит "вертоград" - garden c пометой "obs.". См. также ниже.
7 hrs
agree  Alexandra Tussing
13 hrs
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19 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Flower garden or herbarium


Explanation:
many of the references to this word are for books on the medicinal properties of plants grown in the вертоград, from which I get the impression that this was its main purpose.

Jack Doughty
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:16
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 14525

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agree  David Mitchell
30 mins
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
Holy garden


Explanation:
I think it combines both common and religious connotations...

Ohter options would be :

Heavenly garden
Sacred garden


nattash
Local time: 16:16
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in pair: 64

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  xeni (X): also divine garden
2 hrs
agree  Galina Kovalenko
5 hrs
agree  Alexandra Tussing: possible
10 hrs
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
paradise/paradis (Not Paradise!)


Explanation:
Since the Russian word "вертоград" is obsolete and unknown to many Russians, I suggest that something similar shoud be used in translation. "paradise" (STARTING WITH A SMALL LETTER) or Old English word "pardis" mean a divine garden (NOT Paradise!), so this translation is possible. It depends on the text you translate. IMHO in your context it can be used.

ETYMOLOGY: Middle English paradis, from Old French, from Late Latin paradsus, from Greek paradeisos, garden, enclosed park, paradise.

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Note added at 2002-03-15 18:10:50 (GMT)
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On second thoughts, even Paradise (the garden of Eden) can be used in this particular context.

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Note added at 2002-03-15 18:11:30 (GMT)
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Sorry, the Garden of Eden

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Note added at 2002-03-15 18:45:38 (GMT)
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What I mean, and I probably didn\'t explain it very well, that \"paradise\" should be used in the archaic meaning of \"garden\". Maybe there is some better obsolete or archaic word for this purpose, I just failed to find it.


    Any dictionary showing etymology.
xeni (X)
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in pair: 142

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agree  Alexandra Tussing: Creative and comprehensive
9 hrs
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
согласен с evm


Explanation:
А вот еще выписка из Полного церковно-славянского словаря протоиерея Г.Дьяченко:
"Вертоград - сад огороженный, огород, содержащий в себе плодовитые деревья и разные злаки....
А у Иезекииля "вертоград сладости" оздачает сад Эдемский, Эдем."

Так что, может быть, просто garden недостаточно, нужно подумать, ночку не поспать, что-нибудь староанглийское надыбать.


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Alexander Alexandrov
Russian Federation
Local time: 17:16
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in pair: 98
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