1. гигиеническая характеристика условии труда

English translation: Use "safe" or "safety" in all three places

17:36 Aug 31, 2006

Russian to English translations [PRO]
Government / Politics / occupational exposure

Russian term or phrase: 1. гигиеническая характеристика условии труда

2. гигиена труда при сварке -
3. институт гигиены и профзаболеваний

I think 3 has to be: institute of occoupational health? but what does "hygiene" do here?

Ia Dzamashvili KudoZ activity Questions: 420 (9 open) (4 without valid answers) (38 closed without grading) Answers: 46 United States
Local time: 02:06

English translation:Use "safe" or "safety" in all three places

Explanation:
1. Safe working conditions

2. Worker safety during welding

3. Institute on Safety and Occupational Illnesses
(What country does this refer to? Check for an official name or and offical translation.)

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Note added at 1 day23 hrs (2006-09-02 16:53:34 GMT) Post-grading
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Noting Natalie's comment above I might make item 3

The Worker Safety and Occupational Illness Institute

Selected response from:

Dorene Cornwell
Local time: 23:06

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4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +1

1. Work hygiene

Alexander Demyanov

4 +1

occupational health

Marina Aleyeva

4 +1

occupational hygiene

Jennifer Guernsey

4 -1

Use "safe" or "safety" in all three places

Dorene Cornwell

Discussion entries: 2

Answers

12 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

1. Work hygiene

Explanation:
You will find a number of NIH-published articles titled "Sanitary characteristics of work conditions", "Hygienic characteristics of work conditions", and even "Sanitary-hygienic characteristics of work conditions. All are translations from Russian.

2. Again, "work hygiene in welding"

3. ...of work hygiene and (yes!) occupational health

Alexander Demyanov
Local time: 02:06
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Russian
PRO pts in category: 37

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Sophia Hundt (X): I would say "work place hygiene", so it's clear that you work in clean enviroment, if that what it means.

11 mins

-> Thanks, Sophia. I thought of "workplace". Maybe you are right. One note though: I think hygiene here is a somewhat wider concept that "clean-dirty"

agree

Sergei_A: with Sophia

49 mins

-> Thanks, Sergei.

disagree

Dorene Cornwell: hygiene and safety are indeed different things in English and hygiene is not the correct usage here. Google: "workplace safety" 3.9 million hits; "workplace hygiene" 77,000 hits

56 mins

-> I would appreciate some reasoning a bit diff from "I am right and you are wrong".//By your reasoning it should be neither "hygiene", nor "safety", it should be "is": "workplace is" - 4,25 mln. hits

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

occupational health

Explanation:
When speaking about гигиена труда, this would the most common version. This is not to say that industrial or occupational hygiene is wrong.

This, for example, is what I had in my own practice:

The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health - Национальный институт охраны и гигиены труда

American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists - Американская конференция специалистов по промышленной гигиене

Marina Aleyeva
Israel
Local time: 09:06
Native speaker of:

Russian,

Ukrainian
PRO pts in category: 12

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

occupational hygiene

Explanation:
Dorene and Aleksandr, I agree with you both in certain respects. I think the issue is that гигиена and hygiene are not exactly equivalent concepts. Though they may appear identical from a dictionary definition, "hygiene" in English usually carries a narrower connotation of cleanliness (unless it is qualified by an adjective). That, I think, is what Dorene is trying to convey. On the other hand, I think Aleksandr is right, in that "safety" is too broad. So I would suggest:

1. occupational hygiene
2. industrial hygiene in welding
3. institute of industrial hygiene and occupational health

"Work hygiene" doesn't sound right to my ear. My sense was confirmed by a Google search: "Work hygiene", 32,000 hits, many of which appear to be translations or non-native English. "Occupational hygiene", 600,000+; "industrial hygiene", 6.3 million+. You could substitute "occupational" for "industrial" above; they are pretty much interchangeable, though you would have to use "occupational" in a non-industrial setting (I don't think you could say "industrial health" regarding a school or a hospital, e.g.).

On a side note, IMHO, it is not wide to rely on others' translations (even NIH's) as a source of usage. You may just be reproducing someone else's substandard work. I highly doubt that you will ever see the phrase "sanitary-hygienic" in an untranslated English-language document written by a native speaker, for instance. And I have seen many poor and awkward translations in NIH-provided abstracts in the course of my own work.

Hope my two cents are useful to you all.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2006-08-31 20:23:48 GMT)
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Per Google search, "occupational hygiene" appears to be more UK, and "industrial hygiene" more US. This is also supported by the Wikipedia entry for "occupational hygiene", which details US vs. UK usage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_hygiene

Jennifer Guernsey
United States
Local time: 02:06
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Natalie: Exactly

3 mins

-> thanks!

disagree

Dorene Cornwell: Hi Jennifer. I am somewhere between friendly disagrement and testiness but I decided to disagree because I am not crazy about any of your versions. I do think there is an important US/ UK usage distinction though.

9 mins

-> Hi Dorene, let's go for friendly disagreement. :) You may be right about the UK/US distinction, but "hygiene" is part of both. See my note above.

agree

Alexander Demyanov: Yes, "industrial" or "occupational" fits better here than "work" or "workplace"//NOTE: How did you deduce my relying on NIH's translations? I was criticizing them

20 mins

-> Alexander, thanks. Sorry, I misunderstood your bringing up the NIH examples. So you are as fond of their translations as I am. :)

45 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

Use "safe" or "safety" in all three places

Dorene Cornwell
Local time: 23:06
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 12

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