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дедовщина

English translation: hazing (use of violence and harassment to control young soldiers)

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Russian term or phrase:дедовщина
English translation:hazing (use of violence and harassment to control young soldiers)

13:49 Oct 17, 2001
Russian to English translations [PRO]
Russian term or phrase: дедовщина
Out of curiosity only - I left the word untranslated for the outsourcer to deal with it. Later, I failed to find it in any dictionary at hand. Well, guess you know what it means - when old-timers in the army make rookies to wash their socks, that being not the least or worst of it. I'm especially curious of the native speakers' opinion - is there anything of the kind in, say, US or UK army?
Thanks in advance.
Oleg
Oleg Rudavin
Ukraine
Local time: 15:22
Dedovshina (Hazing)
Explanation:
В Google я нашла достаточно много статей в которых среди английского/французского текста было просто написано Dedovshina и рядом в скобках или через тире Hazing.

Одно из значений haze - тюкать новичка (вроде подходит)

Вот несколько таких статей:
Dedovshina (Hazing)
... Corruption - Moonlighting / Dedovshina (Hazing) / Drug / Ethnic Relations Health
/ Housing / Military Service / Religion Retraining / Salary / Suicides /Trade ...
perso.club-internet.fr/kozlowsk/dedovshina.html

или

Fall 1997 Russian Military Draft
... of the most destructive traditions of the Russian armed forces is that of "dedovshina"
or hazing. This barbaric custom reflects not only the lawlessness within ...
call.army.mil/products/spc_sdy/98-22/endnotes.htm

или

PDF] www.osi.hu/colpi/newsletter/colpinews_2001spring.pdf
... hands of their com- rades-in-arms. These deaths result from the practi- ce of dedovshina,
which is the use of violence and harassment to control young soldiers ...



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Irina Glozman
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Local time: 05:22
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Summary of answers provided
5 +3Dedovshina (Hazing)
Irina Glozman
5 +2Hazing
Natasha Metzger
5И вот еще:
Irina Glozman
5bullying, harassment (by superiors to subordinates)
NFalcon
3Code red?
Rostislau Golod


  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
Dedovshina (Hazing)


Explanation:
В Google я нашла достаточно много статей в которых среди английского/французского текста было просто написано Dedovshina и рядом в скобках или через тире Hazing.

Одно из значений haze - тюкать новичка (вроде подходит)

Вот несколько таких статей:
Dedovshina (Hazing)
... Corruption - Moonlighting / Dedovshina (Hazing) / Drug / Ethnic Relations Health
/ Housing / Military Service / Religion Retraining / Salary / Suicides /Trade ...
perso.club-internet.fr/kozlowsk/dedovshina.html

или

Fall 1997 Russian Military Draft
... of the most destructive traditions of the Russian armed forces is that of "dedovshina"
or hazing. This barbaric custom reflects not only the lawlessness within ...
call.army.mil/products/spc_sdy/98-22/endnotes.htm

или

PDF] www.osi.hu/colpi/newsletter/colpinews_2001spring.pdf
... hands of their com- rades-in-arms. These deaths result from the practi- ce of dedovshina,
which is the use of violence and harassment to control young soldiers ...



Надеюсь что помогла
Успехов!

Irina Glozman
United States
Local time: 05:22
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in pair: 60
Grading comment
Thanks to all.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Abu Amaal (X): common in US fraternities
2 hrs
agree  Natasha Metzger
4 hrs
agree  Michael Estes
14 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
И вот еще:


Explanation:
В Lingvo 6.0 написано про haze (кроме прочего) следующее:

3) амер. - задирать, изводить; грубо, зло подшучивать (особ. над новичками)

Irina Glozman
United States
Local time: 05:22
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in pair: 60
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Hazing


Explanation:
Haze: harass by imposing humiliating or painful tasks, as in military institutions.

A veteran of the U.S. Military Academy explained that first year cadets (plebes) are routinely hazed by more senior cadets.

I hope this helps.



Natasha Metzger
United States
Local time: 08:22
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in pair: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nicola (Mr.) Nobili
6 hrs
agree  reggy
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Code red?


Explanation:
Помню точно один фильм в котором дедовщина соответствовала термину code red, по крайней мере по сюжету парня избили за что-то, не помню... это дошло до военного суда и во время суда это так и называли... Если я не прав, исправьте меня коллеги - самомму интересно ...

Rostislau Golod
Local time: 15:22
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian, Native in BelarusianBelarusian
PRO pts in pair: 4
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1 day 1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
bullying, harassment (by superiors to subordinates)


Explanation:
Я думаю, что всё-таки не стоит так дубово использовать подобные «переводы», т.е. фонетическую передачу (dedovshina).
Приведенный мной перевод я нашла в "Словаре новой лексики 90-х годов", еще есть описательный эквивалент - 'unjust and unhuman treatment' с таким комментарием - in the Soviet military, e.g. unreasonably long periods of time on watch duty and other forms of exploiting esp. new recruits).


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NFalcon
Local time: 18:22
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