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ни тем более

English translation: even less so

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Russian term or phrase:ни тем более
English translation:even less so
Entered by: Andrew Vdovin

03:54 Aug 11, 2006
Russian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature
Russian term or phrase: ни тем более
А это означало только одно: ларец украли. Но ни я, ни тем более смотритель не знали, кто это сделал.


Что-то я застрял с этим оборотом.
Please advise!
Andrew Vdovin
Local time: 03:00
the attendant/curator even less so
Explanation:
I did not have any idea who did it, and the attendant/curator even less so.

I did not have any idea and the attendant/curator had even less of an idea who did it.

To avoid a disconcertingly fragmented sentence with multiple clauses, you should phrase it something like this.
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Henry Schroeder
United States
Local time: 16:00
Grading comment
Thank you very much for your help Henry! Thanks everybody!!!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +6=>
Zoya Askarova
3 +5the attendant/curator even less so
Henry Schroeder
4 +3let alone
sergey (X)
3However neither me nor the attendant know who could do it.
Vladimir Dubisskiy
4 -1chances of attendant knowing this would be much less possible
Zamira B.
2What if you modified it a little bit?
Olga Layer


Discussion entries: 8





  

Answers


19 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +6
=>


Explanation:
but I had no idea who did it and most certainly, neither did the (curator)

Zoya Askarova
Singapore
Local time: 04:00
Native speaker of: Russian
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Alexander Demyanov: it's probably "custodian" or "attendant", rather than "curator"
5 mins
  -> спасибо за поправку
agree  Sergei_A
22 mins
  -> спасибо!
agree  Andrey Belousov (X)
39 mins
  -> спасибо!
agree  Olga B
1 hr
  -> спасибо!
agree  Elena Iercoşan
3 hrs
  -> спасибо!
agree  tanyazst
4 hrs
  -> спасибо!
neutral  Libero_Lang_Lab: it's not far off... but perhaps something not quite right with the word order... "I had no idea who was responsible, and the curator/attendant (depends on where the box was stolen from!) certainly didn't."
7 hrs
  -> thank you
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +5
the attendant/curator even less so


Explanation:
I did not have any idea who did it, and the attendant/curator even less so.

I did not have any idea and the attendant/curator had even less of an idea who did it.

To avoid a disconcertingly fragmented sentence with multiple clauses, you should phrase it something like this.

Henry Schroeder
United States
Local time: 16:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 174
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Grading comment
Thank you very much for your help Henry! Thanks everybody!!!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Libero_Lang_Lab
26 mins
agree  Alexander Demyanov: A good option.
43 mins
agree  Kirill Semenov
3 hrs
agree  Olga Vlasova
8 hrs
agree  Dorene Cornwell: I was trying to do something with "Much less" but this answer is headed the right direction.
5 days
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
What if you modified it a little bit?


Explanation:
Может таким образом можно вставить этот оборот "least of all"?
neither I nor the curator (least of all the curator) knew...

Olga Layer
Local time: 16:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 12
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
However neither me nor the attendant know who could do it.


Explanation:
*

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-08-11 05:34:19 GMT)
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knew

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Note added at 14 hrs (2006-08-11 18:03:32 GMT)
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What about 'тем более', Vladimir?

nor, especially, the attendant..

or

neither I nor, definitely, the attendant..

Vladimir Dubisskiy
United States
Local time: 15:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian, Native in UkrainianUkrainian
PRO pts in category: 36
Notes to answerer
Asker: What about 'тем более', Vladimir?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Jack Doughty: neither I nor the attendant.// Yes. Я normally corresponds to I, and меня to me. And it is clearly the subject here, not the object.
1 hr
  -> is it 100% "I" all the time everywhere here? Thank you.
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
let alone


Explanation:
and me, let alone смотритель (the curator?)

who? my friend is female, and she's in gatwick. i don't think i can shout loud enough for people across the road to hear me, let alone someone in gatwick ...
www.ateaseweb.com/mb/lofiversion/ index.php/t234981055.html

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Note added at 9 hrs (2006-08-11 12:55:13 GMT)
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daniel, i still don't have my right to reply to peer comments back after kirillushka made his little arrangement with natalie, but 'let alone' is the closest that i could think of in english in this context. are you sure you understand the russian part of the question?

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Note added at 9 hrs (2006-08-11 13:21:41 GMT)
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alexander, i think you are being too strict with me :-)
natalie/kirilushka's little arrangement - аднасяльчанскiя дяла :-)
how about - noone, including me (forget the curator...) knew...

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Note added at 1 day5 hrs (2006-08-12 09:40:48 GMT)
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it would appear that if you put 'naive/unsuspecting/silly me, let alone the curator, didn't know...' then it would be acceptable to most natives:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1496632

if you still didn't like it, you could say:
who did it remained a mystery to me let alone the curator
but i stand by my answer - let alone

sergey (X)
Local time: 21:00
PRO pts in category: 51

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Irina Kondratieva
17 mins
agree  Michael Moskowitz
41 mins
agree  Alla Tatyants: оно самое !
1 hr
agree  Nik-On/Off
2 hrs
disagree  Libero_Lang_Lab: if you analyse how "let alone" is used syntactically you'll see it doesn't actually work here. It is normally used to refer back to the same subject of a sentence (as your example shows), not to differentiate between two different subjects.
2 hrs
neutral  Alexander Demyanov: I was thinking of "let alone" but couldn't come up with a full sentence that wouoldn't read clumsy. If you came up with 1 I'd "agree".//How do you know there are other ppl in "noone"? BTW, 1 who doesn't do En-Ru, is free from the starosta's fits.
3 hrs
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
chances of attendant knowing this would be much less possible


Explanation:
However I did not know who did it and chances of attendant knowing this would be much less possible.

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Note added at 3 days4 hrs (2006-08-14 08:27:59 GMT)
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Or:


chances of the attendant knowing this were much less possible

Or:

chances of the attendant knowing this would have been much less possible.


Zamira B.
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:00
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 36

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Libero_Lang_Lab: the use conditional form ie "would be" is not right and attendant nds to be qualified by a definite article; rather than "possible", i'd imagine that "likely" or "probable" are what you'd need here./ THX ZAMIRA, R U AVAILABLE FOR ENGLISH GRAMMAR LESSONS?
1 hr
  -> "the use OF conditional form" to start with.
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